S4E13: Pyro Roundtable: Champions, Stories & Pyro Insights

This week’s episode is an absolute blast—literally. Donnie and David bring the heat with a powerhouse listener round table stacked with some of the best pyrotechnicians in the country. From behind-the-scenes stories to hard-earned lessons in the field, this one is packed with energy, insight, and a whole lot of firepower.

Special guest Tim Jameson from IPC joins the crew to talk all things PyroJam, dropping insider stories and industry gems you won’t hear anywhere else. The lineup doesn’t stop there—fresh off his 2026 ProAm Championship win at Elevate, Travis Kramer brings the champion’s perspective, while Jon Mauck shares his experience representing KCAP at the Missouri Showdown.

Rising talent Jacob Pierce, gearing up for the 2026 SkyWars ProAm, jumps into the mix alongside 2025 SkyWars Pro Champion John Mikrut, delivering a dynamic look at both sides of the competitive scene. Rounding things out, KCAP members Sean and Curtis add even more personality, laughs, and real-world pyro talk to the conversation.

If you love fireworks, competition, and the stories behind the sparks, this episode is one you don’t want to miss.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_13 0:00

You know, and the way they bring lasers and flames and pyro together, that's it's kinda how you have to attack it. Um unless you literally have an unlimited budget, and then you better have a breeze. Yeah. You know, you know what I'm saying? Like we're we will do a fine line when we're trying to design shows.

SPEAKER_05 0:22

Um I do, and that's yeah. That's kind of why I wanted lasers, is because I feel like it almost forces you to draw fireworks to it.

SPEAKER_13 0:34

Yeah. I mean, it's there's so much, so many different sounds, so many different there's just moments that just you want that laser haze, you know what I mean? Like you can't recreate that moment with fireworks. That's that's one of those things where you actually have to have it. So yeah. All right. I feel I feel like I'm in imposing now. No, you're not. No, unless you're joined. Oh no, all right. See ya. Okay. The other guest is here.

SPEAKER_15 1:06

Um watch out. Here comes the KCAP takeover.

SPEAKER_08 1:13

That's how it always turns out.

SPEAKER_05 1:14

Like we aren't accepting curtis tonight.

SPEAKER_08 1:18

We aren't accepting criticism tonight.

SPEAKER_05 1:19

Sorry.

SPEAKER_08 1:20

We're full of criticism.

SPEAKER_09 1:21

I think I'm the only one that happened because I used to work at my old job. My shifts would start at 5 p.m., so I'd always miss these. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_13 1:33

Alright. Yeah. Now I'm really feeling like the what the fifth wheel.

SPEAKER_03 1:38

No, you're not.

SPEAKER_08 1:43

You're gonna be in the middle. You're gonna be in the middle of the round table. That's where you are. You're you're right, right inside the middle of the Inquisition tonight.

SPEAKER_13 1:48

Oh, hey, there you go. There you go. Like, who's this fucking guy? Why is he in our meeting? Guy smoking a cigarette and shit, thinking he's cool. Go back to high school, bitch.

SPEAKER_15 2:01

Tim, those were some uh cool uh rotating gerb stands at elevate.

SPEAKER_13 2:07

Yeah, it'd been cool if the one guy had to plug the second one in and the other one had a fun. It would have been fucking the middle one was awesome. So I uh but what can I say? I paid like I think I paid less than $20 shipped to my house for those things like 15 years ago. So I and they've been out in the weather and rained on, and you know, I we had five the way then we thought we had four till the other day we realized we only had three because the fourth one wouldn't work. So we're we're we're down to two and a half now because the back the back wheel wouldn't stop spinning, it just wouldn't wouldn't rotate, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_15 2:47

Uh yeah, they're uh I saw I think I've seen those uh on a uh ouch some sort of Sajelli page on Facebook or something.

SPEAKER_13 3:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a factory over in China that makes all that crap. Happiness sells it, stagely, uh some other places on Alibaba, you know, some other various Alibaba. The same factory makes all that gerb and sparks stuff, you know. They're actually the company that ended up, the factory that ended up making the original Sparks machines. It's the same same people. And they just vended out, you know, through man, what a shirt to wear tonight, Jacob. That's pretty cool. Did he just go change that? Like put it on?

SPEAKER_15 3:36

This is your paid announcement, by yeah.

SPEAKER_05 3:42

I can't hear you, buddy.

SPEAKER_08 3:47

I think his mic's crackling.

SPEAKER_13 3:49

I got a technical question for Donnie.

SPEAKER_08 3:52

Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_13 3:53

How do I get it to where whenever somebody different talks, the screens don't keep bouncing around?

SPEAKER_08 3:59

If you oh yeah, if you right click, you can actually pin somebody to be the big one all the time. Or left click, there's one of them there. Or just if you have your screen open wide enough, it should just show everybody. Well, now it doesn't. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_13 4:17

I don't know what the fuck I did, but it worked.

SPEAKER_05 4:20

I might it might have been me. I might have just done that. Oh, there you go. I didn't blame David.

SPEAKER_09 4:26

I'm gonna stare at him all night. It's great.

SPEAKER_13 4:33

Jacob I couldn't keep everybody moving around. I was like, holy shit, you know.

SPEAKER_05 4:39

Nope, can't hear you. I don't know what's up.

SPEAKER_13 4:42

You fixed the screen and now you got an audio.

SPEAKER_08 4:46

More audio. Destroy overnight.

SPEAKER_13 4:48

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 4:49

More audio issues.

SPEAKER_13 4:59

Oh, you guys don't know what you missed. You guys don't know what you missed. We missed an hour of comedy, I'm gonna tell you.

SPEAKER_08 5:05

Yeah. Well, we can't we we figured out why David's soundtracks don't ever match up. We figured that out. We found the solution. We did.

SPEAKER_15 5:13

Hey, what what bitrate are you gonna make sure it's in from now on?

SPEAKER_13 5:17

Doesn't matter, he can't hear it anyway. He's scripted shows without can't hear the soundtrack.

SPEAKER_03 5:25

That's the best way to do it.

SPEAKER_13 5:26

I think he's freaking awesome if he's been pulling it off as close as he's been, to be honest with you. I got all new props for him.

SPEAKER_05 5:34

We're just gonna leave that as yes, yes, correct.

SPEAKER_09 5:36

I was gonna say it was like that would be an awesome if you did it like an eight-bit pyramusical, but yeah, what Tim said, you gotta hear it first.

SPEAKER_13 5:44

Yeah. Doing it by braille.

SPEAKER_14 5:48

Braille. Which which firework was this? I think that was White Strobe. That one was Goldstrobe.

SPEAKER_09 5:56

Oh, is that what happened to that kid in Missouri? Yeah, too soon.

SPEAKER_02 6:02

Oh man.

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SPEAKER_04 8:16

Oh snap. Oh snap. We're only missing Tyler. Where's Tyler? Where's Tyler? I can probably grab down and make it.

SPEAKER_06 8:30

How's it going? Good.

SPEAKER_15 8:31

Well, it was going good.

SPEAKER_06 8:34

Jesus.

SPEAKER_08 8:36

We're full of Johns now. Sorry, we're full of Johns.

SPEAKER_09 8:41

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

Wait, what?

SPEAKER_08 8:47

I have a trophy. I have a trophy like that, John, too. I got a trophy like that in my background.

SPEAKER_06 8:57

Is yours all loose and knee tightened?

SPEAKER_08 9:00

Um, yeah, my came in multiple pieces. Mine was a big road.

SPEAKER_06 9:06

They handed me mine. They handed me mine and they're like, be careful, it's loose. And it was like nice.

SPEAKER_15 9:17

John, what what did you buy with your $750 credit?

SPEAKER_06 9:23

Uh a bunch of random stuff. No, I got uh I don't even remember. A couple of the different cakes that I that I shot in that show. And I got a couple cases of that fracture.

SPEAKER_05 9:42

Oh shit, okay. They're quarter canister shells are really cool that you used.

SPEAKER_06 9:48

Which ones are those?

SPEAKER_05 9:51

Uh I don't know. They were they have that like 3D printed insert in there that keep the stars and quarters.

SPEAKER_06 9:57

Yeah, the fractures.

SPEAKER_05 9:58

Okay, there's the fractures. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 10:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 10:02

Yeah, they have that in uh noab as well, but Zach just asked me who the guest was, and I said, guess you'll have to listen on Friday.

SPEAKER_05 10:18

Yeah, I never stopped recording, Donnie. That's good. That's good. We got we got we got we got all the fun stuff there. It's gonna be interesting. We're gonna be able to do that. We'll find out if he can edit when I wrap.

SPEAKER_08 10:44

Well, any anybody have questions about PyroJam for Tim while he's here chilling out with us?

SPEAKER_05 10:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 10:50

They're like, what's PyroJam?

SPEAKER_06 10:53

Basically, how's it how's it going so far?

SPEAKER_13 10:57

Um we're almost done judging. Um I finished through my set last night. Um one of the other judges should be done tonight. Two of them finished tomorrow, and one told me he wouldn't be able to get done until Friday. Uh just stuff came up, but that's still we want to announce next week, so even coming up Friday we'll be okay. So To be honest with you, um the the folks in China want to there's a big festival this weekend over there. Um I don't know the name of it. Who knows? There's so many of them now. Um Yeah, there is. He wants to compare he want they they're gonna video the the show this weekend, their guys are, and then they want to compare them to the pyro jam finalists and see if it compares, you know, to like big enough. I I got news for him. Well, to be well, I I should be careful what I say. No, no, don't stop, don't stop, you're on a roll. Well, well, to be to be perfectly honest with you, I I think the shows are going to be a little less than he's hoping for, through no fault of any designer. Um, you know, when we put the catalog together, or well, you know, help them build the Sims and stuff for some a lot of the stuff, but like we don't set the pricing, and obviously he doesn't want to tell the world exactly what he's paying, you know, the factories, you know, for his product. So he had to make up some numbers, you know, and and just make them reasonable and then give a budget big enough to get the show he wants, you know, with that budget. And there was a lot of back and forth on it because I don't think they kind of really got exactly what I meant. Because originally he wanted to limit it to like, you know, uh thousand of this and six hundred of that and four hundred of the, you know, and we're like, no, that's that's too complicated. These guys got six weeks to put it together, a world level show. Yeah, we can't have them checking how many six-inch shells I've shot, how many four inch, you know, that's that's crazy. It that's why we've always done budget. You just gotta figure this out. And the original thing, excuse me, he sent me. Um, I I did some numbers based on the limits he wanted to keep the show at per average cost of you know device he had in his catalog, and I came up with $90,000. And then I took the previous, you know, 12, yeah, 12, is that right? 12, yeah, four times we did it. The previous 12 went, you know, top shows and took those averages, and I came up with like between 88 and 91,000 of their catalog dollars. And then he set it at 70. So, you know, and there's some restrictions, you know. The the first year, whenever you do something, especially this kind of scale, there's always like points where, you know, especially when you're talking about, you know, two countries too, like they were like, oh, 25 positions is great. And I'm like, we had 25 at or 19 at Pyrojam, that was 300 feet wide. You know what I mean? And then you could use any angle you wanted to. I didn't give a crap. You shot crap in the ground, whatever. It looked cool, you know, go for it. And we had woods on both sides. Like, I don't give a shit. I'll burn the whole place down. We're gonna look cool, you know. Um, they've got like a desert out there, a concrete desert to shoot with. And you know, they gave them 25 positions and limited to 60 degrees. At least at Elevate, you could hit something, you know what I mean? Like there's nothing to hit here. You've seen the shoot site, it's a big, huge concrete pad. There's nothing there. Um, but they don't design like we do, you know what I mean, or or like Europe does, you know. And so there's just you know, the the shows are good, you know, for I mean, really, really, really good. Um base, you know, especially given the restrictions they had. But I think when he looks at the show this weekend and he's gonna go, wow, these aren't as big. Well, I guess not. You're short 20 grand, though. So I don't know how he's gonna tackle that problem, but whatever. I've got some suggestions.

SPEAKER_05 15:34

He won't like them, but you know you think it's Chinese government um restrictions or do you think it's dude.

SPEAKER_13 15:43

I have no idea. Um probably. I mean based on you know, they they got a lot of control over there. It's communist, you know. I mean I don't mean that, you know. I don't know. I guess you gotta think it's negative. I mean, we're not communists.

SPEAKER_05 15:59

So I mean you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_13 16:01

Yeah, I mean I you know, I mean, I know they control a lot. I don't know exactly how much, you know. They you know they treat me like a mushroom. What was that saying? Keep them in the dark and beat them butt, you know, so whatever that line is from that movie. So but yeah, no, it it's going okay. There's there's there is I was telling the guys the the $50 uh registration fee um while the main impact was to get more uh total dollars, you know, to the to the finalists without finale keeping putting out more and more money, um it all it also kind of affected things. We did have less entries, but we had more top entries than we've had before, if that makes sense. So yeah. Probably makes it harder to judge then. Yeah, yeah. I I can't I I'm praying to God the other four guys, you know, have something because I've got a lot of, you know, that literally I've got like 20 shows that I've got scored that would um that could, you know. If we shot nobody nobody would say say, well, I don't know, that show wasn't that good. I mean, there's there's 20 seriously good shows. That's impressive. And I don't have this is the first time ever that I don't have a show that I can tell you who's gonna win before anybody else gets. I've picked the last four winners from my top score. My top scored show one every year. Well, you know, and not because it was like way better, it just you know, there was kind of some that just stood out, you know, like oh wow, that's that's different, you know. I don't have one like that this year, and I don't know if it's because of the restrictions part of it, you know what I mean? It it makes it a little more difficult because one of the judges texted me one night and he's like, Oh, dude, there's a cool ass wave segment. And I'm like, Yeah, I've seen it like five times now. They're like, What? And I'm like, Well, I'm ahead of you guys, you know. So yeah, I because it was one of those things that you could do with the site layout that is badass. And you know, four or five guys figured it out, you know what I mean? Yeah, you know. So it's um it's been interesting. Yeah, I I definitely gonna I I can't pick the word winner right now, I can tell you that. It's it's it's pretty good.

SPEAKER_08 18:28

So so with with this being the first year judging at this new site, does that change how you judge these shows compared to how you've judged them the last year? Do you kind of have to like change your mindset when you judge?

SPEAKER_13 18:39

Um, I mean, the criteria is still the same, but it did probably take us, you know, we've all talked about how we had to kind of go back and start over a little, you know. Um because you kind of had you kind of had in your mind what Jefferson Patterson could do, this you know, the size of the field, and you got used to seeing, you know, like that level. So you gotta gotta start over. You don't have that benchmark, you know. Yeah, it's kind of like the very first year we did it. We probably got, you know, 20, you know, 15, 20 shows in. It was like, oh, wait a minute, hold on. I I think we gotta rescore, you know, because all of a sudden it was like something stepped up, or you know, whatever. I mean, it that's that's the toughest thing. Is what now once you get a benchmark, then it's then it's it's much easier. You kind of start seeing some shows that are like, oh, these are definitely these are better than those were. So you go back and but once you get the benchmark, then you can roll through pretty good and stay pretty consistent. It's hard, man. I don't, you know, there's a reason I don't have the same guys do it every year because they would quit. Yeah. It's a lot, it's a lot. I mean, some guys have done it obviously more than once, but like this year we've got um three new judges. So one of them, one of them is actually a former competitor. So which is really cool. That's something we always talked about. Like, you know, does it get to a point where if you've won, we don't let you enter again, at least for a little while, yeah. So that you don't like, you know, Serbia, you know, the last two years, you know, has been in it, and it's like at what point do we we don't want it to get to where somebody's in it every year. But if the if the show's good, it's good because we don't know who's submitting them. So yeah. Um, but we did think, you know, if this looked like it would become a problem, maybe we start like begging them to judge for two years, you know what I mean, and then they can enter again or something. I don't know. We yeah, you know how it is, you toss around ideas, but so far it hasn't been like entering twice, you know, being in it twice isn't a big deal, but if it starts uh becoming the Serbia show or the Germany show, you know, then you gotta start starting that something. Not that I mean I could watch I could watch those guys' shows all the time and I would be perfectly happy because they're they're friggin' some of the best designers in the world. I mean, um yeah, I love I love their stuff.

SPEAKER_15 21:18

So imagine if one of them entered for the Skywars competition.

SPEAKER_13 21:23

Tyler'd be in trouble. No, yeah, I uh yeah, it's funny. I uh you know, we had our training day uh Sunday, and of course Tyler was there and we were talking. I said, dude, I said you better step up your game. He says, What do you mean? I said, Man, one of them KCAP boys they brought it down there at Elevate. You're gonna have some competition, man. It ain't gonna be, you know, new guys and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_15 21:52

I said, You better we we were all joking that we may have seen some uh Skywars testing at Elevate.

SPEAKER_13 21:58

Oh yeah. It wasn't on ours, I can tell you that. No, it definitely wasn't. Definitely wasn't on Tyler's part. Tyler Tyler Tyler still hasn't even seen the show we shot at elevator. He was like, man, I've been he well see he started a business last year. Um really? Uh yeah, an excavating trucking company. And he's killing it. I mean, they are they're getting ready to build like a five million dollar warehouse, and they're they're they've hit the ground running, and and then plus he's got a kid, he got married. Like he's he's uh he's he's he's actually sweating a little bit, you know, as far as like being able to find time if he ever does get a soundtrack together to get a script together. He he's he's panicking a little.

SPEAKER_15 22:51

So he's good.

SPEAKER_13 22:52

He had to.

SPEAKER_15 22:53

Yeah, had to.

SPEAKER_13 22:56

So I would never want to script one that early anyway. I'd have to change it like a hundred times. I would I would literally I did that with Pyro Jam one year. I I think it's two years ago. I scripted a show in like February, and I did not shoot anything from that script come August because I hated it by the time it got around. Um, I do much better if I've got like a week before we gotta start prepping, and then I can't change my mind because they started loading it, you know. So they're gonna be really pissed if I tell them take it apart.

SPEAKER_05 23:31

So without telling us what show has did anybody enter for Pyrojam? Nobody, nobody here?

SPEAKER_08 23:41

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_09 23:42

No, ain't wasting our time on the job yet. I couldn't. I was gonna say it was like before the $50 you know entrance fee, how many entries would you normally have?

SPEAKER_13 23:52

So on average, yeah. Yeah, Dave Dave asked me that a little bit ago. Um, so we averaged like between 120 and 128, and we ended up with 86. But we did have like 136 or 138 register. So how many used to register when it was free, I don't know, because we didn't register, you know what I mean? They just sent an e, you know, somebody sent an email in and got got a template, you know, downloaded it from the website. So we really don't we don't have anything to base that on. Um but what we did have is uh probably 30 to you know, I hate to even say this because it sounds mean, but I don't know how else to say it. We would have people that would enter shows, and I'm thinking, man, I would not have like I might have used the free time to practice with finale, but I definitely would not have entered this.

SPEAKER_09 24:49

Okay, sometimes you gotta shoot your shot.

SPEAKER_13 24:53

I mean, you know, I I just I I I I don't know.

SPEAKER_16 24:57

I mean didn't some people even say they were gonna deliberately waste your guys' time.

SPEAKER_13 25:02

Oh, one dude actually, yes, absolutely. Yeah, it was last year or the year before, and he was like literally in the in the description of his show, like flat out said, I know I'm wasting your time or something. Like, you're an asshole. I don't know. He didn't say that. I'm sure he had to think that. Why else would he do it? You know, I mean, I'd rather you just punch me in the mouth than waste my time. It takes a lot of time because I we still had to score it, you know what I mean? Because I mean, you know, ethically, he he submitted an entry. We've got to score the show and write down the comments so that way if he happened to have emailed and asked for his feedback, he didn't, but you know.

SPEAKER_15 25:43

Comments do better. Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 25:47

Oh, I I actually got to be careful sometimes because you know, some the sometimes it's pretty late at night when I finally get time to sit down and do two or three, four of them. And by one in the morning, I can be like, what were you thinking? Like, this was retarded, like, or this was stupid, or like, whoa, wait a minute, why did I just watch?

SPEAKER_09 26:09

I need bleach for my eyes. What?

SPEAKER_13 26:11

Yeah, like like thank god there wasn't an ice pick near me, or I'd be missing an eye, you know.

SPEAKER_15 26:16

Like they should go stick to eating Tide Pods.

SPEAKER_13 26:21

Yeah. No, the ones already were you know, the ones that boggle my mind is like, you know, we had one this year. Well, we had a few, but at least one one was like they used like 40 grand or 48,000 out of the 70. And I'm like, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but my time is actually pretty valuable, not just mine, but four other people. Yeah, so you took probably a half an hour, it takes about a half an hour to watch it, score it, make some comments so you could got something kind of feedback later when you you're separated by a tentable point between four shows, you know, type stuff. You know, that's a half hour of five guys' lives you wasted because there's no way, I don't care how good you are, you're not gonna beat the best designers in the world if you're twenty thousand dollars short on the budget. I mean, you know, I mean, I get money isn't everything with a show, but when you're talking, you know, if Caballer gets $70,000 and Martin Hildebrand gets $50,000, guess who's winning? You know, Recasa's gonna win. I mean, you know, even though they're both two of the top level guys in the world.

SPEAKER_05 27:34

I mean, so well, but is Recasa gonna look like he used about $70 or $70 or $50,000 worth of the other guy's product? Due to Recasa being so much.

SPEAKER_13 27:47

Fair enough. But we're all using the same catalog and just I tell you, man, the tariffs and shit keeps going crazy.

SPEAKER_05 27:57

Yeah, you're not losing it.

SPEAKER_13 27:58

There was a point last year I was like 125% tariff. I'm like, wait a minute, hold on. How much was that Recasa container? Yeah, like cheaper, maybe that's a right. It actually some instances, but anyway. That was a long answer. I'm sorry. A lot of time answering a pretty simple question. How's it going? Don't leave them open-ended, guys. Yeah, right. The question was, how's it going? Yeah, don't leave me that much room. Stick to yes and noes. I tried getting some info out of Donnie, but I tried John, but he won't tell me. I'm just gonna swing by the warehouse, start looking at the tag. All right, this is the position one.

SPEAKER_06 28:50

I have to tap into his security cameras.

SPEAKER_08 28:57

Yeah, don't don't don't don't be messaging my people in KCAP. I got them all locked down.

SPEAKER_13 29:01

He's got the inside scoop though. I seen a post on Facebook a couple weeks ago. Yeah, we're prepping. I'm like, prepping, I don't even know how much money we get. He's just like, I don't care how much they're giving us. We're spending a hundred grand. We're going at it. Nice. I'm stoked. I can't wait. I can't wait to be honest with you. I think it's gonna be a fantastic night.

SPEAKER_05 29:24

I think it's gonna be one of the best uh Sky Wars events that we've ever seen.

SPEAKER_06 29:29

I think I personally think that the pro after this year is gonna take over the pro-am. You know, they for height of well no for quality for everything. Like, you know, they they you know, pro-am, pro-am, I think after this year it's gonna be the pro. Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 29:50

I mean, John's gonna have to top his smokes smoke scene. He's gonna have to do a red, white, and blue smoke flag with drones now or something.

SPEAKER_13 29:59

I can tell you he won't he won't have to worry about us having any smoke stuff. Holy shit, man. David last year, and I was like, ah man, we're just gonna have to leave that off the board. I just I can't, man. I I'll I'll I'll spend some retarded money sometimes, but move that was expensive. That stuff's expensive.

SPEAKER_09 30:20

Do we want to have a look for all the lifts that are gonna be there? Or yeah, we all get to talk about that.

SPEAKER_15 30:28

We're gonna get to like what 25 lifts now or something like that.

SPEAKER_09 30:32

It's gonna be it's gonna be side towers now, right? You know, we're just gonna take over.

SPEAKER_15 30:37

We're just gonna start putting cranes in the trees.

SPEAKER_08 30:40

Well, our plan was earlier, Tim's just gonna bring all the tress work and just build the entire field one big truss, we'll all just share it, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 30:47

Right?

SPEAKER_08 30:47

Like we'll all just share it.

SPEAKER_09 30:48

We already got it in the United States, there, right? You just bring it on over, bud.

SPEAKER_13 30:51

Yeah, I've got a lot of trust, dude.

SPEAKER_05 30:53

I've I've got I say we just put the lifts in the crowd and let it be an interactive show.

SPEAKER_15 30:59

Hey, it feels like a who was it that wanted to do uh 360-degree fireworks or something like that? One that you jo other John.

SPEAKER_16 31:09

Me? I didn't talk about that, but no, that would be cool. I think the only they've done it in a stadium one time in the States, and I can tell you what stadium.

SPEAKER_13 31:20

Yeah, the uh the Chinese artists did it out there in uh Pasadena, wasn't it? Or Pasadena, yeah. Yeah, I think it was Pasadena, whatever that big Olympic stadium is. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that when it went all the way around. Uh that was pretty seasons.

SPEAKER_09 31:33

Yeah, it was that was the good one, right? That wasn't the interactive one, right? Yeah, no, he got hammered.

SPEAKER_13 31:40

He got he got hammered though. Oh my god. There were some people that were pissed off.

SPEAKER_09 31:46

I thought if I hear a show called Tag, I'm leaving.

SPEAKER_13 31:55

Well, you could do like me, me back in, I don't figure it was the first champion of champions of Pro Am. And uh me, Peter Rogos, and Ron Schwarez got together and we're like, you know what we should do is just put together one big massive show and don't tell anybody and just hit go. You know, don't worry about the competition part, you know. Of course, I'm like, whatever, dude.

SPEAKER_09 32:23

All right. Oh dear, they they got some of those like stadium on like an 18 ruler wheeler rig, you know, just have everything prepped and you just roll up and it just unfolds and folds out. Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_13 32:36

I don't know. I'm thinking about taking 35 grand and shooting like a $15,000 show. You don't have it all apart. I'm being the first guy to ever made any money at Sky Wars. Make sure you let me go first. Promise. You don't want me to go last.

SPEAKER_08 32:54

Buy a handful of big shells and call it good.

SPEAKER_05 32:56

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 33:02

Just shoot like 10 16s and call it a night.

SPEAKER_13 33:06

Or color pearls. 16s. I'm thinking like what J and M would do at PGI, you know, like bring like $7,000 worth of product out there, set it up the afternoon of the day. Where's IPC at? We're coming.

SPEAKER_08 33:21

We'll be on target.

SPEAKER_13 33:25

They would be pissed.

SPEAKER_09 33:27

Oh man, would they be pissed? I was going about to say, and I'm like, you could do a mass launch of sparklers, but I was like, oh wait, that's illegal in a certain places, isn't it? Right.

SPEAKER_06 33:39

Isn't it just the red sticks you can't do?

SPEAKER_08 33:42

Just the red sticks.

SPEAKER_06 33:45

Mass launch those, they uh mass explode. Yeah. I thought it was the metal ones. The metal metal ones.

SPEAKER_08 33:50

Yeah, is it the metal?

SPEAKER_15 33:54

I tried doing the red sticks, the wood ones, way back in high school. It just found created a huge fountain.

SPEAKER_06 34:03

Yeah. I did that with the metal sticks, and it did the same thing. You gotta wrap it tighter. Yeah, yeah. Electrical table. But we don't know what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_09 34:12

We don't know. Nobody's talking from experience here. Yeah, so this is hypothetical.

SPEAKER_08 34:19

Did you guys did you guys not see the article posted about the kid lost his hands? Like, did you guys not see that today?

SPEAKER_09 34:23

Like he was holding the other end.

SPEAKER_15 34:26

Yeah, he was he was holding the unlit end, right?

SPEAKER_08 34:30

The crazy thing, yeah. That's literally like the town, like two towns over from here that it happened, which is which is the crazy thing about it.

SPEAKER_02 34:36

Like, did you hear it?

SPEAKER_08 34:37

No, I didn't hear it. No, and what's crazy like we mentioned, like we mentioned before, is how they shall as a fireworks incident. I mean, that's not fireworks, dude.

SPEAKER_13 34:46

That's no, get made a bomb.

SPEAKER_08 34:48

Yeah, the whole made bomb. Like, what does when does fireworks have shrapnel in them? Like, wasn't it straight up a pipe bomb? Yeah, it's essentially pretty much. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_15 34:58

Yeah, all the things the news outlets will spin to try and make something illegal.

SPEAKER_16 35:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we'll get blamed for it. Yep. Yep.

SPEAKER_15 35:10

They've heard about us kappers and they want to shut us down.

SPEAKER_16 35:14

Shut us down. It was a ploy from Mo Pyro.

SPEAKER_09 35:21

I think they got your resume, Curtis, and they're like, we gotta we gotta keep them.

SPEAKER_15 35:26

Joke's on them. I'm in Springfield.

SPEAKER_05 35:30

How's your car look after that storm?

SPEAKER_15 35:32

Uh our vehicles are fine. Uh we yeah. We were so there's a high school that's like literally probably 500 feet from where we live, and like every car in the parking lot just looks like Swiss cheese windows. It's it was nuts.

SPEAKER_08 35:54

I see videos of the Walmart. The Walmart parking lot just like I see the same video. Yeah, just getting destroyed. Every car in the parking lot.

SPEAKER_15 36:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 36:02

Yeah. It looked like Chicago. Sorry.

SPEAKER_14 36:08

Wow.

SPEAKER_08 36:09

So since John says John brought it Mopyro, I I wanna I want to hear from John a little bit about what happened this weekend, how you think your show went, like, like what are your thoughts on your show and what you put up?

SPEAKER_16 36:20

Uh it went really well. Okay. Minus some product being uh it was uh not put in the correct cues, it happens sometimes. That happens, yeah. In Chinese manufacturing, and uh several slices didn't go to plan either. They decided to stop halfway and then turn into a 15-minute sweep. So you get that on the jobs, and uh then uh people forget which way on two fuse cakes is the primary. Oh yeah. Also, Spirit doesn't label which one's the primary and which one's the backup either. That's kind of poor because I'm pretty sure every other manufacturer does, at least every manufacturer I've been apart.

SPEAKER_05 37:07

Well, don't they have like T connectors? It should be.

SPEAKER_13 37:10

I was gonna say ours are color-coded. The reverse port, you can't even stick a match into them.

SPEAKER_16 37:15

Yeah, so they are color-coded, but both sides had T connectors.

SPEAKER_15 37:20

Oh so I thought the red side were the was the only one that would accept the E match, and the blue side was the one that would plug into the red side.

SPEAKER_13 37:29

Yeah, that's the culprit, the stuff we have.

SPEAKER_15 37:34

No, like it was not me.

SPEAKER_08 37:39

We always just blame Curtis.

SPEAKER_15 37:42

He was on special duty. I was on special duty. I I made sure all the special stuff were special. Hey, the crayon meltdown fountains all went on. He was on ground effects.

SPEAKER_16 38:01

Yeah, they did not explode. That's a new thing for Curtis. He didn't have anything, any ground effects explode.

SPEAKER_08 38:07

No exploding germs.

SPEAKER_16 38:08

Which, if you know Curtis, that's kind of impressive. As we call curbs.

SPEAKER_15 38:15

And you know, the funny thing about that is is I have yet to reproduce it after that incident. So not trying hard enough.

SPEAKER_09 38:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 38:24

I guess. I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 38:26

I imagine if you can throw it on the ground a couple times, get the inner cord crack a little bit, you could probably do that.

SPEAKER_15 38:33

That's what we'll say. It wasn't truly my fault because I was just handed them, so they were already anyway.

SPEAKER_13 38:40

They were already cracked.

SPEAKER_16 38:41

When you put the E match in them the first time, did you wrap it with electrical tape or no? No. No.

SPEAKER_09 38:48

Did you just see a hole and you just plugged it? That's what it is.

SPEAKER_15 38:55

You know how never stressed the D-Troud stuff? I was trying to be safe and you keep the shroud on. Well, you know, that doesn't really work when it comes to fountain jerseys.

SPEAKER_13 39:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 39:10

I don't do that anymore. We take that shroud off. And then of course, J Boz was like, I'm not watching you, I am not watching. Hypothetically, yeah. Hypothetically. J Boz was like, I'm not watching, I'm not watching.

SPEAKER_08 39:25

So I know John, in your show, you had a couple of scenes that you were really excited to see. Did those segments go how you how you planned or thought they would go?

SPEAKER_16 39:34

Okay, minus the extra cake firing on the right side of the field. Yes.

SPEAKER_08 39:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_16 39:41

But you could barely see it with nine color changing comets. So but yeah, and then the other scene was also very beautiful. Yeah. It was uh a little harder to see than in finale, of course, but you could still it still had the teared effect that I was going for, and it was the red, white, and blue of the freedom.

SPEAKER_08 40:03

Yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_15 40:04

Did that freedom hit? Oh man. I know you thought it was a little much, but I thought it was just like yeah.

SPEAKER_16 40:12

I think it was 58 cues at once, so it kind of was a little much. That's not that bad.

SPEAKER_05 40:19

That's a good start.

SPEAKER_16 40:20

Not that bad.

SPEAKER_08 40:21

That's just that's an everyday show for Taylor Q's along. So did you watch any muxboards? You're not doing a show without mux boards.

SPEAKER_05 40:30

Did you watch Tim's Elevate show? I think he used a quarter of his budget in like 13 seconds of the like the middle of it, some point.

SPEAKER_16 40:36

Hey, I did that too. That was at the nine. I'm sure you did too.

SPEAKER_13 40:41

That was actually your budget. Actually, the most matches were um those stupid whistle cakes that uh we got them from American, and they're really nice whistle cakes, except they're like phew, and then it waits like three seconds, and it's like phew, and then it's like 120 shots per cake or something. So we just pull it out of the box, and matches hanging all out of it, and the guy's like, gosh, you're ready. I I don't need them instant. Like the only way to make them, you know, because to me, whistles can't last more than like five seconds, you know.

SPEAKER_05 41:12

John knows a thing or two about taking a 200 shot cake and makes making them single shots, right? Yeah, make it a little bit.

SPEAKER_15 41:22

I was gonna say you're starting to sound like me now. Break it apart.

SPEAKER_05 41:26

I can't can't believe the number of times I gotta what is this dude doing? I'm like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_13 41:35

That's like when AJ did pro am, and back then, you know, like the cake had to go back together, like you know, to be a cake, you know, because they had all these different categories and all this crap that you had to and he did a zipper cake like every it was like 120 matches hanging out of the freaking cake, and it's like oh my gosh, we're we're taking like taking a row off, match, match, match, match, match, set it aside, take a row off, match, match, match, match, match, and then had to tape it all back together. Because if not, it counted in each single shot. Then you know what Curtis would do. It was ridiculous. It was three modules for each zipper cake. It did look awesome though. It was the smoothest timed zipper cake you've ever seen in your life.

SPEAKER_09 42:19

I mean, I mean Curtis doesn't trust timing as it is right now. Don't give them ideas. We'll be out there three. That was doing one cake.

SPEAKER_15 42:29

Hey, you remember that joke, cake happers, about two months ago? 10,000 Q Pro Am? That's how we get there.

SPEAKER_03 42:37

That's how we get there.

SPEAKER_16 42:39

Not a cake in sight, except for the cakes with each shell or each two.

SPEAKER_05 42:46

You only need a hundred cakes to compete, right? Is that what I'm gonna do?

SPEAKER_16 42:48

Yeah, only.

SPEAKER_05 42:50

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_13 42:52

It's crazy what you do, you know.

SPEAKER_08 42:59

So so Jacob, do you got any secrets you want to want to give way to us about uh about your show plans?

SPEAKER_17 43:04

Can you actually hear me now? Yeah, um secrets secret. He doesn't have cake cat. I guess I mean we're a pretty open book on this. I mean, I've been talking with Nathan. We don't really keep too many secrets. Um, but I mean I think our shows are pretty similarly sized. I don't know anything about Chad at this time, but uh, you know, it's kind of tough this year with uh the pro team and you guys using all the lift space. Just need to share lifts, right? Yeah. Uh you could I I mean, yeah, that's always an option. You could rent. Um John knows something about that. Yeah. Um, I mean, I I've I've finished my show. I'm still waiting on product. I'm gonna start prep once the rest of the product comes in and everyone's done. But they're 4th of July stuff. So I mean, I know about as much as you guys, minus I do know my budget, so that's about it.

SPEAKER_08 44:08

Well, we have we have we have a budget, that's about it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_17 44:11

We don't know where we can put any of it, but no rules, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 44:14

We don't have to use it, but yeah.

SPEAKER_17 44:16

Yeah, I got a rule sheet that uh it was labeled this year, but it's literally like last year's just they changed the dates, so I don't actually know if it's relevant anymore.

unknown 44:28

John?

SPEAKER_09 44:28

What is it? It's some mostly gonna be rules, right?

SPEAKER_06 44:32

Yeah, somebody said that they're they uh finalized their ruling on the single shots going to the outer edges. Yeah. I haven't heard nothing, but it's something about like uh certain degree up to 75 feet from the edge.

SPEAKER_05 44:51

It's me, but I'm the problem. You're welcome.

SPEAKER_08 44:54

Yeah, I I th I I think they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna deduct for shooting comets into the trees, I think, and stuff this year, I think.

SPEAKER_13 45:00

Well, wait a minute now, that's two different rules.

SPEAKER_06 45:10

I mean, honestly, it if you put a comet at 60 degrees, you know, say 70 degrees at 150 feet, oh yeah, you're still gonna hit the trees. I mean, a comet's lifts too.

SPEAKER_17 45:24

You're hitting the trees even more.

SPEAKER_13 45:25

I mean, I mean, look at elevate. They were like, all right, the outside position can't go. I'm like, all right, I I'm seven in. I'm still clearing the street. You know that about seven positions in.

SPEAKER_15 45:39

I mean, according to Ellery, a 30 millimeter comet's the same as like a four-inch comet, right? Comet's a comet.

SPEAKER_09 45:47

Well, I thought you thought it'd be doing them a favor to get rid of the trees. Ellery would be Wong again. It takes Wong to know Wong because they I think the difference the difference between a 25 and a 30 millimeter is only like 10 feet.

SPEAKER_06 46:07

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_15 46:09

John, you're gonna be.

SPEAKER_08 46:18

Don't love it. John John's down. Curved monitor problems.

SPEAKER_17 46:23

It would be nice if they came out with some kind of some kind of rule, something with the angles, because I know several guys have already finished their script, including me, and I'm not trying to change everything this late. You know, I mean some of the debate. Wait, you're just early. I should have done what Tim does and design it like a week beforehand, but that's the best way, you know. I know.

SPEAKER_13 46:46

You can't change your mind.

unknown 46:48

No.

SPEAKER_17 46:49

I mean, you want to talk about stress. I designed my whole show, ordered all my product before I even got uh lift approved. So, I mean, talk about being stressed out hoping you don't get an email saying, hey, you can't do this, and then you gotta call the vendors, and it's off, it's off, you know.

SPEAKER_09 47:06

But wait, you told them that what you were gonna use it for?

SPEAKER_17 47:11

No, no. Uh lift approvals through uh Skywars, not the uh not the rental place.

SPEAKER_13 47:17

I can tell you right now, if you've got 10 million, they'll let you do anything you want to with that machine. I don't think they we actually had them on site going, man, that's friggin' awesome at firecamp. The rental company's like all the rent. We didn't know none of this. They got Carter rental all over the place, you know, and everything. We're just you know, fire. Free.

SPEAKER_06 47:44

You can get 25% off, is the best I was able to get, but I tried that with uh I'm going through equipment share and I tried that with them. I'm like, hey, you know, if you give me a good deal, I can, you know, I'll bring five, six people towards you. You know, can we get a big group deal? And they're like, nah, that's not gonna work like that.

SPEAKER_13 48:04

Yeah. No, because they're gonna rent it to somebody, they don't care. Yeah. Yeah, we literally we went with Carter Rentell for all of our stuff, the light towers, everything, and Pyro Jam. They did give me 20 per 25% off as a sponsor. Uh that was the best I could do. Because they're gonna rent that, they're gonna rent that gear somewhere, you know, in the region, whether we're using it or not. So I guess I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_16 48:27

Why does no one use cranes in the States?

SPEAKER_13 48:31

Um, because the operator stays on site. Actually, Pyrotechnic Pyrotechnico did use a crane at one of the Pyrafest events um to hold a big huge um set piece, I think it was. But it was in the you know, in the shoot site.

SPEAKER_15 48:53

Hey, hey David. We thought about it. That wheel doesn't spin.

SPEAKER_05 48:58

No, the wheels don't spin.

SPEAKER_15 49:03

That'd be something.

SPEAKER_09 49:04

It's a swing.

SPEAKER_06 49:06

Yeah, you can.

SPEAKER_09 49:07

It's just off center and it just something I don't want to see.

SPEAKER_06 49:11

Yeah, yeah. If the cable if the cable snaps, you got a swinging wheel.

SPEAKER_13 49:18

I don't know. Tyler spent eighteen hundred dollars on lumber to put non-spinning wheels 40 feet in the air at the last time we were out there. I was like, dude, that's went to Lowe's and bought every freaking two before they had. It looked all right, but I don't know that he'd do it again.

SPEAKER_09 49:40

Did he make sure he slapped it and said this ain't going nowhere?

SPEAKER_13 49:43

Oh, the first one we weren't sure it was gonna stay up. No, no, no, don't slap it. It's fine. Yeah, no, we got that guy up that's like, all right, we need we need rope. We need more rope.

SPEAKER_08 49:56

Not past the kick test.

SPEAKER_13 49:58

Yeah, no, yeah. That first one wasn't pretty. It's cracking going up, and they're like, it's cracking. I'm like, well, don't stop. You stop, it's gonna break. Keep going, you know. But yeah, we do it's definitely some dumb stuff we do in fireworks for sure. But it looks awesome though. It's awesome, yeah. As long as it works.

SPEAKER_05 50:19

Yeah. All right, Donnie, you're wearing a Lone Star shirt, so let's chat about that.

SPEAKER_08 50:26

We can, yeah. Yeah, I heard I I heard, yeah, Lone Star put all that their uh their shows out the other day.

SPEAKER_05 50:31

Yeah, Wisely's doing a show. Yeah, it's gonna be exciting.

SPEAKER_15 50:36

So I think there's another KCAP member doing a show again, so Spencer KCAP, OPC, and there's a member from I guess there's a new Springfield Club or Collective, I don't know. They're calling themselves Oh um the Spectrum Fireworks Collective or Spectrum Pyrotechnics Collective. Kind of cool name.

SPEAKER_05 51:03

We're all a little bit on it.

SPEAKER_15 51:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_08 51:06

Yeah, because I noticed there was a lot of Midwest names on that uh list that went out, so yeah.

SPEAKER_15 51:11

Yeah, Kansas, Oklahoma, Missouri. But all the blind pyros are from Texas this year. There's not a single non-Texas.

SPEAKER_17 51:19

Yeah, that's interesting. It's hard to fill the blind pyro.

SPEAKER_08 51:22

It is, yeah. They always they always have a hard time down filling it, yeah.

SPEAKER_17 51:26

Yeah. Chris always has to try, and he always ends up one short every year.

SPEAKER_15 51:32

I mean, it's just the he needs to have like five, knowing that he'll only get four, and then that would be the year that he actually gets back.

SPEAKER_17 51:42

They have enough product, they get enough product every year to be like six teams. I mean, when I got in 23 the blind pyro, uh Dale donated like a lot of product last minute, and it totally screwed all of us over. Uh I was like, dude, I have 150 e-matches, and I have to get all of this up, and I can't like just make some of it disappear. Nope, you gotta use all of it.

SPEAKER_16 52:03

Like, just do the method. You just put it all in the center, fuse it all, and it all goes up as a finale.

SPEAKER_17 52:10

That's what Zach did that year, and he whooped my ass doing it. But I mean, I I knew I was gonna lose, but is it? I think it was closer than I thought.

SPEAKER_08 52:20

Zach finds on that.

SPEAKER_15 52:22

Dude, Zach was so stressed that year, it was kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_17 52:26

That was a tough. I mean, that was actually my first pirate musical, believe it or not, and that's a really bad way to start.

SPEAKER_09 52:36

Yeah. And then you got hooked ever since, right?

SPEAKER_17 52:39

You talk about going off the deep end. That's not the story after that, because I got home and I remember like talking to several people and they were like, How'd it go? And I was like, I hated it. It was the worst experience ever. Because it's just so much stress. Like, normally I'm really planned out and I gotta do it all like in advance. No, couldn't do that.

SPEAKER_13 52:59

Yeah, props to anybody that does it. I wouldn't want no parts of it. Yeah. Nope.

SPEAKER_08 53:05

Yeah, I I I we did it last year. That was enough for me. I was like, okay, that was that was cool.

SPEAKER_17 53:10

Yeah. Well, talk about like how Sean did it, where he basically did it himself last year and still won. I mean, that was an extreme handy.

SPEAKER_15 53:19

Until they threw all the extra, extra product at him. And then he was like, guys, I need I might need some help.

SPEAKER_17 53:26

Yeah, I know he had help bringing stuff out in the field, like, but still, I mean, pretty impressive. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 53:35

Does anybody know how Sean does his shows without using labels? Anybody? Anybody? Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 53:42

He print he has like the rack printout or whatever. I forget what Mongoose prints out, but he has the printout, and then it's just like, hey, this product Q1, this product Q2, etc. etc.

SPEAKER_10 53:58

FireTech firing system. Built for control, built to perform. Stronger signal, total control, lightweight, compact, ready to go. This is fire tech.

SPEAKER_08 54:18

Oh, hey, cap's new newest uh newest winner. Oh, hey.

SPEAKER_15 54:24

Hey how we do it? Sorry, John.

SPEAKER_08 54:29

Sorry, John. Sorry. Hey, John had a great show.

SPEAKER_15 54:32

John had a wonderful show.

SPEAKER_08 54:35

I I will say though, every 76 competition I've been to, we won. I didn't go this year, so I'll take some of that blame for you, John. I'll take some of that blame. Every year I've been, we've won. Wait, and I didn't I couldn't make it this year.

SPEAKER_15 54:48

Wait, it's not always Don uh Tom's.

SPEAKER_09 54:51

Yeah. Yeah. Was it there to what would you do? Some sparklers and Roman candles? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 54:57

I was handled the demo last year.

SPEAKER_09 54:58

Yeah, that was really got the crowd going. That's what happened. We didn't get that rile doesn't. Yeah, that was a lot of John's is amazing.

SPEAKER_08 55:05

Yeah. This year I was chilled out. I was chilling at a wedding show that I had a shoot instead. That was that was a lot more cake.

SPEAKER_15 55:11

So that this year's uh mess up on Jonathan Sahusky's uh script was instead of saying excepts, he said sex. And and he just like, yep, I totally said that, and we're just gonna keep moving on.

SPEAKER_07 55:27

And I think I turned to someone next to me and said that's your this year's Donna Tom.

SPEAKER_15 55:31

Yeah, I remember that. That was hilarious.

SPEAKER_08 55:36

It was pretty good. So, Travis, how was your elevated experience?

SPEAKER_07 55:41

It was it was excellent, actually. Was it uplifting? It was. It was very busy from the moment we got there, the moment I left. Very windy on the way home, which is fun when you're hauling.

SPEAKER_06 55:54

But I agree. Every time I turn around, you were sitting in your chair. Pretty relaxed to me.

SPEAKER_05 56:03

He doesn't have to be busy when he has 37 other people doing the work for him.

SPEAKER_09 56:13

Maybe what seven-six, I didn't go.

SPEAKER_07 56:17

Okay. So I've talked to people about this before, though. Like, I would much rather have like six to eight people who like everybody knows exactly what they're doing than 30 people wanting something to do. Like that actually creates more work sometimes when the crew gets too.

SPEAKER_17 56:35

Yeah, too many hands, more mistakes has been my experience.

SPEAKER_07 56:39

Well, like Tim and I have talked about this before. He he'd rather have the people he knows early, even before he goes sometime, than a ton of people he doesn't know when he gets there.

SPEAKER_13 56:48

Yeah, I've been both sides. With Dominator, we used to show up with four of us, and Ed would round up like a hundred people. You know, it's like, oh, I got you, I got you plenty of help. And it's like, man, like you know, some guys speaking British and another guy's speaking French, and yeah, you know, it's like the accents, and I'm like, you know, he's like, mate, I tell you, I'm like, dude, I don't know what you're asking me, but plug it in one way. Yeah. Um, no, it it's but it does, you know, you because you're constantly being pulled in a hundred different directions. Yeah. And it's like, I think me and Chris could have done this like an hour ago, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 57:29

Um because you're training relate. It's like you're repeating the same first few things like 500 times. It's like, yeah, okay, this is what we're gonna do next. Then you get another group of people come in. Well, okay, what are we gonna do? And I'm like, uh, okay, um, here's the list. Now now I just like make lists, and I'm like, here you go, follow it. I'm gonna blame you if anything's wrong.

SPEAKER_13 57:52

Five times during the day. Well, and even if they're all there at the beginning, they can't hear you because they're standing behind six other people and somebody's telling a joke to him, so he just missed it. And you know, I mean it's it's cool that people want to. What I'd like to see is a mad rush of them at night, like come back. Teach you how to clean up. There's a proper way.

SPEAKER_15 58:17

Or I don't know. Like uh two years ago at the Spirit of 76 versus competition when we had a tornado warning bearing down on us. We just rushed the field and was done with cleanup in 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_09 58:31

Yeah. Was that that was your your show, wasn't it, Travis?

SPEAKER_02 58:34

Or was Travis's yeah?

SPEAKER_07 58:37

Apparently that's all you gotta do is tell people there's a tornado warning and then the field gets just stay off the National Weather Service.

SPEAKER_09 58:44

That's all you gotta do. I think we got a couple people in case. Something, yeah.

SPEAKER_13 58:51

We have the opposite problem. I know when Tyler shot the last time he shot at Skywars, there were people showing up at like 7 a.m. the next morning. They're like, damn, what time did y'all get out here? I'm like, get out here, like, dude, we ain't left. We've been here all the time. I'm like, you wish the you know, we've watched the sun come up twice in Sky.

SPEAKER_07 59:13

It's never a good feeling, really. Oh no, I can see it on the horizon. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_13 59:17

Well, it's beautiful though, I will tell you. I mean, it's it's it's it's a surreal feeling when you haven't slept for like 48 hours and you watch the sunrise, you know. At the wrong time, by the way.

SPEAKER_15 59:29

48 cups of coffee later.

SPEAKER_13 59:32

Yeah, well, and then we made the mistake of we'll nap for a couple hours and get on the road because the boss didn't reserve the house for one more night like an idiot, and then they wouldn't let us out. So that was a long drive home. But we're not this year. This year we're staying over one more night. We're not going back till Monday. How long is that drive for you, Tim? Uh it depends. If I'm in my pickup truck, about 15 hours. If or about thirty about thirteen and a half hours. If I'm in a box truck, uh probably about fifteen and a half, and if I'm in the semi, it's about sixteen, sixteen and a half, something like that.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:16

That's long.

SPEAKER_13 1:00:17

Yeah, this year's gonna suck. Like some idiot knows some idiot contracted with the NFA to handle all their demos, and that ends Saturday. You know, we gotta finish cleaning up everything by Saturday night, and then Sky Wars is the following weekend.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:37

So somebody's a guilty party party in doing that.

SPEAKER_13 1:00:40

Yeah, so now I have to fly back on Sunday to jump in a semi to head to St. Louis on Monday morning. So that means that also means we have to load all the trucks like two weeks ahead of time because there's not gonna be anybody here to load them because I'm taking them to Scott to NFA. So it's gonna it's gonna suck a little. But you know, it's gonna be fun. So are you shooting a show out there too, or are you just doing well? They just put out an RFP for the closing show, um, which obviously we'll submit a bid for it because we're already gonna be there. And yeah, maybe we can like load some of the racks for Skywars into one truck and shoot NFA and just keep going to St. Louis with that truck. You know what I mean? You know, if it's just got equipment on it at that point, and then uh's Pyro Tour.

SPEAKER_15 1:01:32

Yeah, it's only it's only like what a six hour drive from Fort Wayne to Yeah, something like that.

SPEAKER_13 1:01:38

Yeah, six and a half, yeah. Yeah, so so that's what I said. You're you're now that's almost there in our world.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:44

So yeah, it's like are you certified to do those uh multiple pup trailers? You can have them labeled, you know, as you go to just drop them and then drop them.

SPEAKER_13 1:01:52

Yeah, actually, that's actually a thought.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:54

Um, I don't know where you rent them though. I might have a place over here.

SPEAKER_13 1:02:00

I don't know if they'll allow it, but I know where to get them. I I'm hoping we can get it all in a semi. I mean, you you start thinking about it, you know, it's like, oh semi's huge. It's not as big as you think as big as you mean as you guys know. I mean not once the racks get big.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:17

Yeah, racks take a slice racks.

SPEAKER_13 1:02:19

So well, last year when we I got a semi for for Pyro Jam, and I'm like, boys, we got our whip this year. The racks are going over on one trip. They're like, Ain't no way, boss. I'm like, oh hell yeah, we'll see. It was two semis full. And it was still one little pallet of shit that I couldn't fit on the second semi and had to send the truck back to get the last pallet. I'm like, man, these things take up a lot of room. I mean, if you floor stack them, you know, but who wants to do that? I mean, I I don't want to walk every rack 53 feet before we get it out of the back of the truck, you know. So when you start palletizing them, you lose space. It it yeah, it fills up fast, you know.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:00

We had to do that at for Sky Wars to rented a 26-footer, and I couldn't get it on pallets, so it was, you know, the tor the U-Haul was just racks.

SPEAKER_13 1:03:10

Oh, U-Haul.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:12

Yeah. It was it was loaded front to back of just racks for driving like this.

SPEAKER_13 1:03:22

U-Haul. Oh my goodness. More power to you, buddy. God love. It wasn't a bad drive. Oh, it was bad. You can lie all you want to. U-Haul's. I got the hubs in the way, you can't even move a pallet jack around.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:37

Oh. No lift gate. Yeah, we we didn't, yeah, like like I said, we didn't use pallets at all for it. We had to run it all in there. Yeah, you're a beast.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:46

My brain's starting to go, and I'm like, Travis or Curtis and Donnie, and I'm like, we gotta we gotta hit up Kevin again. Some transportation type of infrastructure going on.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:59

I don't I don't even want to talk about the process we use to establish.

SPEAKER_15 1:04:04

Hey, it works really well.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:07

You just gotta suggest it to him and he'll start thinking about it. I mean, you can't stop him. He just needs the idea. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:14

Yeah, folding table replacement.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:17

Yeah. We used it long when we got there. People kept coming to me saying, Where'd you get your tables? And I was like, I brought them.

SPEAKER_16 1:04:33

Speaking about that, we should do a group buy on tables.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:37

See, I would I would get in on that. I passed on it. Um, I feel bad. I should have brought it up. My wife sent me a DM. There was like a marketplace, whatever they were selling like 16 of them for like 15 bucks each. Man, I'd have been all over that. I know, but I was like, where are we gonna put them? That's where I got a bomb with everything.

SPEAKER_13 1:04:55

I'm like, I don't, I don't 15 bucks a piece, just stack them out back. We got shit stacked everywhere here. Bike buy it cheap enough, it stays outside. We got room for days here. We'll we'll put stuff. That's why our stuff looks janky all the time, though. Everybody's like, oh, here comes IPC, and they're like, Man, y'all shit looks kind of old. No, it's only a year old, it stays outside.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:24

Just broken in.

SPEAKER_13 1:05:25

Yeah, put that one in the middle, but it'll nobody'll see it. It'll be fine. Still got a shot in it. I promise.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:34

All the good reacts up against it. Yeah. So, David, any any plans for your uh your your show that you're doing in uh Lunstar?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:45

Uh I have an idea.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:48

I think I have uh I think I have the theme.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:50

So you guys are you're just doing just a special display, or are you not doing like one of the shows, or how does that kind of work? Because I noticed you guys like a like one of the special shows.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:57

Yeah, we're just kind of an exhibition show, so just more or less.

SPEAKER_13 1:06:00

demoing product and so thunderstrike just gonna have fun firework no i got the best one for him he can just do a mascalata he doesn't you'd have to worry about sound oh well i was thinking about just doing i was thinking about doing one of my uh previous shows that i haven't used the correct audio for i mean any of them right in any of your shows if it doesn't go right what's wrong with i mean it's just gonna look like the last one that's not a terrible idea you just do like a third of third a third do the redemption right there you go with the redemption tour throw some salt and pepper on it you call it gravy do we need to bring you a firing system that you don't have audio issues with I might know a guy well might have to send it to me early so I can start prepping but sure I won't say no hey I'm trying John I'm trying trying to convert him I've i've I've almost got him there no he's there he's there he's there he's close he's there he's there he's there he's there now we need all these other yay who's on there David will find a way find a way now with Lone Star is it a one one three show or is it just one four uh yeah it'll be one three yeah Travis might have said something over the weekend about oh are you are you switching to Travis I'm optically to the technical to the technical side no uh no i've I've shot with both systems and I've had success with both systems and I don't have a lot of issues with either system so well I I will say every time I've ever used um that ace pyro system it's failed me but Tim Jameson just creates magic with it so I I think it's one of the easiest I'm gonna ask this so a show like Elevate Tim because you you have a pretty packed calendar and plus you you're sadist so you also do things like pyro jam on the side um when do you start a show like that like when you're like okay it's in front of me now or like what's your timeline for something like that one second pull the calendar out I'm gonna see when I not said John the notes I'm pretty sure I did the script three weeks before the show okay and we prepped it um that week you know the the with two weeks you know like I prepped it and then we started you know prepping um shows like this actually are the ones that are last minute all the time because we don't make any money so yeah you know what I mean it's to fit it in yeah yeah we you know like everybody's everybody doesn't believe that Tyler hasn't done anything other than like you put a list of some songs together for a Skywar show and it it's it's true. I mean yeah you know we with the the year we did PGI um 2019 the 50th anniversary we tried getting ahead of it like the fall before because we were going to have all this special product manufactured and everything and it just didn't happen and next thing I know you know Frank from Dominator's like I bought you nice product I send it and the container showed up July 26th I think we opened the container up we saw exactly what was on it we scripted the show started prepping it and three weeks later we shot it well I mean you know we just we work well I I I you know I I do better if I'm pressed that it's just you know I'm a proc procrastinator by nature like there's no way I should be able to run this company to be honest with you. Anybody that knows me is like there's no way he's pulling that off there's no way that guy waits till last minute on everything and it's because there everything's just last minute there's not enough time you know there's pros and cons to both I I don't think one's better than the other as far as so long as it works for a person it works for a person because sometimes you find out details at the very end and if you're an early prepper that can be harder for you and so it's it just depends.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:25

I mean yeah that's why we do it well things I mean sometimes we'll go with that yeah we'll run with that um but I mean like my Mike Allen shot at Elevate and I mean he was asking me questions about hey do you know where I could find this or that he had I was asking you for emach the day of remember I wasn't gonna bring it up I wasn't gonna bring it up that's actually the first time I've ever had to do that though by the way I man thank you though by the way it worked out how you may have like my humbling moment Mike Allen who I shot with he was probably four or five weeks out when he was getting serious about actually scripting right and he didn't show up until day of yeah they were asking have you seen Mike have you seen Mike here like Scott Scott and Jonathan for those who don't know Scott Smith at Cobra and then Jonathan McCormick who does a lion's share of the actual logistics of the speaking and some of the show stuff have you they're like have you seen Scott? Have you heard from Scott? And then he shows up late Thursday night at poker night he rolls into the BNB and the next morning his show has landed in the field by like 10 a.m so he was done so I mean it works.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:47

So he was on a cruise like Friday night wasn't he?

SPEAKER_07 1:11:51

Seriously literally by the way that is a much better way to do it.

SPEAKER_13 1:11:58

Heck yeah he was on a cruise all week how do you manage trunk lines nowadays on bigger shows you do us as far as what do you mean like doesn't Starfire use trunk lines yeah but we also have wireless bridges now so we're not running across shows anymore um so that's that's helped a lot uh so our all our trunk lines are within each line and then we drop bridges that they connect to it's not perfect I mean don't get me wrong I'm not sitting here going Starfire War yeah it sucks a little bit I did I did have to bring Scott over so there's there this is and again I'm not knocking it because it works and and I can't afford anything else um but we're a little invested um but when they came out with the wireless there were certain things like it's not perfect you know it works um but like to put things to sleep I have to go over and tell it how long to power off all the modules. It does it they don't just go to sleep on their own like a true wireless system would. And um and the thing is is I can't guess wrong or I gotta power everything off including the bridges in the field and turn them back on. So I had so I I have my alarm going I was sitting there talking to Scott and um this was the night of the show and my alarm goes off and I'm like hold on man I gotta I said actually come with me. He's like what and I said come over here I said I got in your ass every time I thought something was wrong with Cobra and then I open up my pan I'm like look at this janky shit that I've got to do. And my timer was counting down like five or three Majos wake up and I said now I'm putting it back to sleep he's like what I'm like yeah we'll put it to sleep for another half hour and see where we're at you know because I can elevate I didn't know when we were going to shoot I knew we were shooting last that's all I knew. Like I'm like oh is uh O'Brien shooting oh they're skipping his show crap I hope they don't skip the next count I'm like oh man um so you know but it was cool to show it to Scott so he could feel good about you know he's definitely got something better off than what we're doing with Starfire.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:17

You show it really well I mean you walked off the field earlier in the day and walked past me and said we didn't have time for continuity so we're gonna shoot it.

SPEAKER_13 1:14:24

Yeah we didn't check not right that's confidence man no we we found modules it's like all right we're done there was we only had one six matches left anyway you know so I mean what were we gonna do you know I mean you gave me everything you had and we used all of it except six I'm like this checking that now it's like 3800 devices out here which six are we gonna fix you know um but uh yeah it was actually Elevate was um I was kind of in a crappy mood and uh I I kind of gave my guys a lot of crap because I thought it was taking us a lot longer to get things done than it normally would. And then I reflected and realized that um a lot of the guys hadn't shot a show like that you know a lot with us. We had a couple newer people and we actually were missing and I don't say missing I mean they just but they weren't there like five guys that normally are like interior leaders. You know I mean like when we go out to a big show you know I usually have at least one two or three of those guys with us. So I'm not and because you know I can't yeah I I just I can't answer every question all the way you know it's a big field and so there were moments where they're like um what are we supposed to do next boss you know um and then we got the show in the air I was like well it wasn't that bad but we did all right so I had to go back and apologize to all the guys I mean we had some mistakes that I don't like to see you know but I mean we got a pretty uh what I thought was a pretty good you know prep process in place over the last you know six seven years and you know I'm like how do we load an orange comet instead of a silver tiger tail like I mean they're not even close. Oh no I know I know but like no matter you you think like we've got the perfect the there's no way a mistake can get through this process.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:33

And yeah that's in a different case on the other side of the floor how'd they do that?

SPEAKER_17 1:16:39

Although China has China has done it to us though and we actually caught it this time there was a um we had three cases of a certain comet that was in the show it was the purple with the dragon eggs and we started loading out of the second case you know and one of the guys goes hey man like this isn't labeled you know the part number was the same the description was different and I'm like whoa do we trust the box do we trust the device that has the wrong part number on it like so you know you do run that twice last year what's that a few years ago yeah it happened a few years ago I I had a case of uh slices they were silver strobes and in the very center of the box it was a red strobe slice in the case of white or silver strobes and it's easy not to catch that I mean you know well it yeah we caught it and I'm like I don't have anything red scripted in here right like well screw it we put it in there anyways it was a silver strobe but in the middle oh it was a silver I have yeah I've had that I had one yeah I had one it was silver strobe willow tail uh from raccoon and when I shot it in the show it was the crackling willow comet which isn't even close and it wasn't a labeling issue because it was just it was labeled correctly or the case and the product was labeled for what I bought but it was crackling comets. So right I mean there's nothing there's literally nothing you could do in that point which is like for Skyboars you know I'm trying to test some of the some of that beforehand from the raccoon stuff just to verify it but I mean what you can do.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:25

I won't say the manufacturer but um I had within the same case they built it three different ways they built it they built it without a white line on top of it and it was brocade underneath then they also built it as they should which was the brocade then a white then it was built as brocade white with purple comet going out all in the same case.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:49

Assorted yeah yeah the assorted case sorting well they they ran out and they grabbed whatever was in the room I mean that's literally what happens I mean or they they're just chuckling going here watch this watch and they buy anything wait till you put that no they don't know what's good it's yeah wait till you put a whole crap load of blue to gold strobe mines and they are gold strobe with blue meteors on a tower with everything and you start shooting like a thousand shots in the woods as the state director standing next to you going I think I think I know what you're what you what you got because um I thought it was it was from my wizard case yeah it was wizard but wizard I thought it was my case that I got and not I just I think there's like a thousand of them but it was really weird that I was scripting another show and um I was I was doing the anthem for the Summers Fest there and I'm like oh cool I'm actually going to have the right product because he has the same exact case because I'm thinking it was just mine that was that was that was wrong.

SPEAKER_13 1:20:00

Nope all three of them were wrong I had I had uh I wanted to do a little mine fan but it actually turned out looking even better it it turned out being a fan and a meteor and so I'm like huh well they're wrong but that actually no one will ever know exactly so I was like better I'm sorry we got huge props when we had stuff bouncing back higher than the bridge across the truss I mean off the grass they were like how did you plan that and I was like dude I was crapping my pants the whole time or like two years ago when you did the anthem Donnie at PGI half the field was one style and the other half was a pillar style but half the field was all the same the other it looked somewhat intentional.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:47

And the crazy thing is that live I didn't even notice it right like I didn't it wasn't even I didn't even notice that live until somebody said something afterwards do you see the right side of the field and he was like oh I didn't even notice that yeah because the pillar pillar ones were on the left side and the non pillar ones are on the right side of the field I'm gonna start I'm gonna start matching like from the left and then the right and like work in that way it ends up symmetrical when these corrupt like the center that's messed up.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:16

That's the and that's the other thing everyone always says oh well test one out of every case and like right it's unless you shoot the whole unless you well unless you shoot the whole case you'll never know right exactly yeah because I have we have shot cases like a case and literally two or three were a different color meteor they're all blue except three or three orange.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:42

I've noticed on on 20 on the 20 millimeter meteors you get you can get that I'll have three three different colors of them in a case of you know they're a case of a hundred and there'll be three different colors in there because they just started to grab some random ones to fill the case in or something yeah oh yeah or like at Spirit's demo the lemon and purple go getters were more like lime and purple yeah yeah I got those two yeah and Banda made them for them by the way so the wizard ones are lime and purple I got same ones.

SPEAKER_16 1:22:15

They look good they just not no yeah or they also had some white stuff that looked more yellowish too so it wasn't white strobing that uh it seems to be an issue with spirit product they have a lot of white comments and white minds that are not white at all they're more they're aqua they're either aqua or they're like yellow yeah I have they have a hint of like it seems like on the fringes of green I feel like it happens to everybody at some point it's it's like airlines you fly long enough something will happen to you.

SPEAKER_13 1:22:53

All right you have to remember this is this is all seriousness if anybody doesn't know how things work in China no one builds everything it's all bought from and sourced it's just like when you go buy toilet paper those four brands there were all made in the same manufacturing branch out in wherever the hell they made the toilet paper and you know it's it's it's the same there there's there's literally like three three factories making comets and mines over there and they're making them for everybody. And it just depends on which factory supplied this this week um you know I mean I do think there's certain manufacturers who do a better job of shopping and staying on it to make sure it's consistent. But they all it all it they all get hit with it. You know I've had people oh well who you who you using now or why don't you use dominate or why don't you I'm like dude they're it just happens to work for us right now. It's it you know eventually they all get too big and they can't control the quality of man of of factories that are working for them. You know I mean they they're not making it all themselves. I mean you know like raccoon or panda or whatever they'll have a factory that makes a bulk of stuff whether it's shells or cakes or whatever and then they gotta source the rest. I mean there's there's no way possible I mean you would need to own like the whole mountain to have you know a factory big enough to make everything. So it it happens it happens all of them all you can do is just shoot one out of every case. Yeah right shot the middle shot you just hope I was you just hope.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:39

I was talking to uh Neil from finale fireworks and I had an uh epiphany with um I got the itch from PGI this last year and I have a co-conspirator that keeps me interested in building and stuff like that. So I'm finally getting through all the different colors and I just I finally was like okay so what's what's the more technical colors um or effects and I'm like okay white strobe I was looking at it at first and I was like oh I got all those ingredients and then I started looking at it again and I'm like white is green it's it's barium so the white strobe that's why it's so hard and sometimes you see in the um the demos and like um some of the Kcappers will know this is that white strobing or is it green strobing you know right because it's actually barium you burn it so hot it turns white right I but you gotta get it hot.

SPEAKER_13 1:25:36

Right. Yeah well and that's the thing I mean you know there's uh ace used to make uh an item called a silver brick and glass comet and it's not like they lost the formula they can't get this special whatever because this factory well yeah I think it's a charcoal and nobody makes you know nobody makes it anymore like they can't get it so it's gone you know what I mean and you know when you're talking about different chemicals and different metals and you know if this mesh is just slightly different it's gonna burn a different temperature if this charcoal you know took a little longer to cook than that you know every it's it's not like making cookies you know as as one guy told me why you use that tree you're supposed to use that tree right right exactly I mean it it it does so you know we joke about you know the mistakes and everything else but you got to remember these guys literally work like five months out of the year to build the world's fireworks not not just ours. You made it too floofy too floofy yeah I'm shocked that they did it as good as they do you know because I see guys that build like a show you know PGI and this isn't a knock on builders but I love how the they'll sit around and they'll go China crap. And I'm like you built one like they built like a thousand today you know like could you imagine trying to keep any kind of quality control that's building what we're what they're building you know that's literally handmade hand mixed hand everything and the average consumer's not even gonna care.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:16

Right oh yeah they're gonna I've gotten to the point where I don't have every year like when I before I got in the club I was like oh look at all this cool new product now it's been around for 10 years.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:26

Oh yeah yeah that's like you can go like you can even go like look at like a PJ like some of the builder classes right like like Mum right you're all building the same shells right but you shoot them off they all look differently right yeah because you've got you've got 40 people building building their own their own design of the same shell essentially I mean they all look differently but yet they're all the same product yeah yeah yeah and I just I just dabbled in a little bit of just rolling stars that like I was just thinking about sending like maybe one or two shells and it's just like talk

SPEAKER_09 1:28:00

To my buddy, just like because dude, I need to make 10,000 stars just to make a nice fourth of July. That's a bare minimum. Because I gotta figure out how to roll stars. I gotta it's at least bare minimum ten thousand stars just for three inches. Right. Um just getting that much up, but they're doing it all different sizes, all different colors, all different effects. So hundreds of pounds at a time. Give map props. I mean every time I see now a pirate musical that has, you know, a thousand cues in it, I cry a little bit because it I I know how much work goes into that, but it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_15 1:28:36

Well, and then that's just for like a single color. Imagine the nine color change comments that John used at 76. Like, how many months of laborious rolling do those take? Because they're not small comets either. Those are 50 millimeter comets. Like it takes a long time to roll those.

SPEAKER_13 1:28:55

Sure, sure. Yeah, no, it's it's impressive, actually.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:58

I mean, um I like I said, I'm I'm shocked everyone can take it apart to see if it's actually a muck or it's actually a a rolled star.

SPEAKER_16 1:29:07

It's a rolled star. We um we could uh roll it back and forth because some of them were loose, so we'd roll it to the end of the tube and then roll it back.

SPEAKER_15 1:29:15

Well, there's actually a video online showing the like somewhat sort of build process of them.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:23

I mean, I know that there's a couple different ways, but I would be yeah, I've been kind of interested in taking stuff apart and like kind of ruined myself on how we rolled.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:34

Even down to like different colors burn longer so you don't use as much chemical, so it's a smaller star. Yeah, it's oh yeah, and the temperature too.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:44

Yeah, it's just nuts.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:46

And a lot of it too is the quality of the cable you're using, right? Like I I noticed when we were in Valencia, their blues over there were so much more vibrant than a lot of blues you see. It's just the quality of copper they're using there is far and beyond the copper that China China sources the cheapest copper they can get, right? Like but some of these factories in Valencia they're sourcing like premium like copper, and their blues were just it burned longer, they were brighter, so much more vibrant.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:12

Yeah, so and they're using chlorates too, so which we're not a lot of like it depending on if it was uh built fairly uh recent, I would totally go if it was like a whole bunch more chlorates because you could do that, and they'll be the best blues you ever seen. But right, but you can't use chlorates, right?

SPEAKER_13 1:30:32

Yeah, exactly. You can't use well now. Then here's the thing, though. They can ship it here, but China can't ship it here. China can't ship, but we're not supposed to have them, but yet we can have them. So you know spicy crackle.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:51

It's like those big shells inside of the kitchen cabinets, right?

SPEAKER_13 1:30:54

Dude, you know it's funny. So I I'll share this real quick. So I got a I got an email. Oh, not an email, a phone call, actually. It was this was a fun. She sent an email, but I was asleep. She called me at 3 15 in the morning, the other morning. And um I'm like, what's up, Christine? It was Christine from Wizard. And she says, Oh, uh, good morning. Uh, we have a problem. I said, What's the problem? We're loading your container and CIQ and Customs just said that we can't have your two and a half inch shells packed 1010. No more than 72 shells per box. I said, Well, there's 300 cases on there. Yeah, by the way, David, yeah, keep me pay attention. Customs has changed. CIQ was allowing some factories to pack 1010, others could only pack 72 per three-inch shell. I don't know, I guess they blow up different in different parts of the country. But when it came time to lose, this literally just changed last week.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:55

So fantastic.

SPEAKER_13 1:31:56

Um, the new CIQ is no case has more than 72 shells. And they don't find out until they go to look until they go to pack it, and customs flags it and turns it away. And she says, uh, she says, Well, what we'll do, we'll put 1.4 Pro. No, no, no, no. It's 300 papers. I don't need any more 1.4 Pro. I got, I mean, I know I can put it in my bedroom if I want to. I really don't want to. Like, we're out of room. We already have another container of one 1.4 Pro. We've got she says, Well, what do you suggest? I said, I suggest you unpack them some bitches, put 7610 in there and pack that box back with some paper or something. I don't care what you do. Yep. Oh no, not enough time. I said, Well, then ship it as is without the 300 cases. You credit me $8,000 because that's how much CBM I'm losing on this container. I'm not paying to ship air, and we'll just we'll just go from there. Oh, uh, let me call you back. So, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:00

And uh she calls out on the container to calls me back later.

SPEAKER_13 1:33:04

They they we unloaded the they found time. Yep, they repacked. And dude, they're in beautiful little boxes. She sent me pictures. I'm like, well, how did you get those boxes so fast? Got my anyway. Look, my labels on them, everything. They've done everything, like in hours, you know, like it's done. And yet, so then we unloaded the other container that showed up. So we had a container show up that day that she's calling me that morning. And the six-inch shell boxes are packed nine one, and they're like this big. It's the old packing without all the extra dunnage. And I'm thinking, now, how did that right? We got like 50 cases of them, which don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. They fit in like the little corner of the magazine. I got all these six-inch shells in there instead of like the whole wall.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:49

Well, that's why we like to get stuff from Flower King hint. They still they still yeah, they still ship without the the bulk package or the but how does that happen?

SPEAKER_13 1:33:58

But how does that happen? And and I can't pack a hundred shells in a little two and a half inch box, you know? Uh it's just yeah, so you're trying to make government regulation make sense, Tim. Yeah, I know. I know. I'm like, just put it on its container, you know. Yeah, are they actually gonna look? Just change the paperwork. Because that's what I'm thinking. They flagged the paperwork, just change the paperwork. They're not gonna unload the container. I guarantee you they wouldn't.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:26

Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, that's gonna respond to uh hopefully they got those cans out.

SPEAKER_13 1:34:32

Yeah, oh no, they got they got it loaded. It it's headed to the port, it's gonna make the ship date. You start telling them you ain't gonna pay them no money, shit changes fast. Yep. All of a sudden, yeah. They want that money. They ain't paying that guy but like 60 cents an hour, so he can unload that container.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:49

They need you more than you need them.

SPEAKER_13 1:34:52

Yeah, oh yeah. I loved it when they were like, Oh, better get your orders in early and everything else, 250.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:58

Yeah and a half before 250th, yeah.

SPEAKER_13 1:35:00

Oh yeah, yeah. We ordered our shit like September, you know, it's on the water. Like they're not, they're busy, but they'll they'll find a way.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:10

And then in February, you have 13 different uh manufacturers reaching out. Hey, we've we found time to produce. What else do you need to sell?

unknown 1:35:18

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:35:18

Right, right.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:20

Right.

SPEAKER_13 1:35:20

Year and a half ago, you weren't gonna be able to make me nothing. Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:23

Now now you have half a year to be able to produce for me.

SPEAKER_13 1:35:26

You can get the last minute stuff in, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:29

Or or over uh overextend your build time and not be able to produce.

SPEAKER_13 1:35:38

I s I really don't know how they get it all produced, though, to be honest with you. It's it's amazing. It's I don't know anything about China. I think I every time I think I do, I I then find out I was wrong.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:50

So um but hear that. Yes, Donnie. Uh back to to Lone Star. I I do have a soundtrack semi-ready. I have an idea.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:03

I mean, I mean I know we were bouncing off ideas that one night in the lounge, in the secret lounge chat. Yeah, that's that's probably gonna be it. I've been listening to that for a while. There was some kid in there with us who's not here tonight.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:15

Yeah, I don't know where he's at. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:18

Homework, homework. Homework. Yeah. He's missing out. Anybody else going to Lunstar? Anybody? Anybody?

SPEAKER_17 1:36:30

I mean, it's two hours for me. I mean, yeah, yeah, no shit might be there.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:33

Hopefully.

SPEAKER_17 1:36:35

I have to get done here. I ain't doing anything, so yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:41

Pro tip is fly. Fly is the pro tip, by the way. Fly, fly to fly to Dallas and drive. That's the pro tip.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:47

How long's the drive from Dallas?

SPEAKER_08 1:36:50

Hour and a half, hour and a half, like that, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:52

Uh from it's yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:53

Hour and a half to two, hour and a half to two, roughly, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 1:36:57

Depends on the way. Actually, pro tip is just ride with someone, and then you don't have to drive at all.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:03

Yeah. Yeah, we we we flew in last year. We flew in to Dallas Fort Worth, and then we stayed the night in Fort Worth and then drove down the next morning to Lone Star. Speaking of David, David, you gonna spread that, spread that to the 12-hour drive.

SPEAKER_15 1:37:15

David, you just gonna pick me up on your way through?

SPEAKER_08 1:37:18

No. Pick me up on your way through.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:20

It's quicker for me to just go down.

SPEAKER_16 1:37:25

Is Wisely gonna deliver one three to Lone Star since you guys are gonna already be there?

SPEAKER_05 1:37:30

Why don't you message me after this and I'll let you know.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:38

I mean, he's gonna deliver a product for the KCAP here before you know for the then. I mean, yeah, we will.

unknown 1:37:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:37:47

Oh, that was that was underneath a different name. I don't know. A different name. I know it's the same David, but is it because the truck got wrecked? Yes.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:01

Oh we don't talk about that.

SPEAKER_16 1:38:03

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, there anymore.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:05

We don't talk about fight clubs.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:07

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_16 1:38:08

What are we talking about?

SPEAKER_08 1:38:09

Wait, season cake too. Too soon, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:13

Yeah, forever too soon. Next topic.

SPEAKER_15 1:38:16

So final five yet, or no, no, never turn at that light.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:20

Always go down.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:22

Always go down. Oh man. Yeah. It's been fun tonight.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:30

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:31

Yeah. We've planned it. We planned this out well with Tim showing up to help kind of yeah, yeah, spark some spark some conversation.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:37

He didn't really realize he was coming in.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:40

Yeah, I know. I did.

SPEAKER_13 1:38:42

No, I was no, we had something going on before this. Next thing I know, people started showing up. I'm like, oh I guess we're up. Hello?

SPEAKER_05 1:38:54

We don't talk about that yet.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:56

Surprise. We gave a head up. I need 10 minutes to think about it. So an hour later, people start showing up.

SPEAKER_13 1:39:05

I guess I was committed.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:06

You were committed that far. You're gonna bail halfway through.

SPEAKER_15 1:39:08

And then Jacob just happened to wear the perfect shirt. Yeah, yeah, he didn't even know.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:13

Well, Sean's got Sky Wars on. I got Lone Star on. I mean, we got all we got all the shows covered.

SPEAKER_15 1:39:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:20

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 1:39:22

Too bad they're not a sponsor.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:23

That's debated. There we go. Little shout out to him. And that guy's a cool guy. Too bad he didn't make Elevate. Uh Michael Den. Oh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 1:39:35

Uh Den, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:36

Yeah. Or yeah, Den.

SPEAKER_15 1:39:38

Yeah, Den.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:39

Oh man. No, I should message him.

SPEAKER_15 1:39:44

Who at Elevate got a Den Markboard though?

SPEAKER_09 1:39:48

I have one set aside to me for me already.

SPEAKER_15 1:39:53

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:55

Yeah, we're going to go.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:56

So Mick Rit, you got anything coming up? Anything, uh, anything big in the works outside of Skywars?

SPEAKER_06 1:40:03

Just the normal shows.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:05

Just normal shows, normal stuff.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:06

Yep. Yeah, I picked up uh picked up a pretty good sized show for August. So excited about that. Is it a PGI? No. No, a city hour from my house. Are you going to a PGI?

SPEAKER_07 1:40:24

That's a better idea. No, I won't be a PGI. He's gonna stay home and make money. That's what he's gonna do. The way to make money is don't drive your show across the country.

SPEAKER_15 1:40:37

Especially at Indiana prices. My word.

SPEAKER_13 1:40:41

Yeah, I don't even know how much we spent in fuel. I I um, you know, we used the wax card thing, so I don't really know how much we spent, but I'm sure it was more than what I had figured.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:51

That's probably I think my my pickup truck went through a hard reset after elevate. I took a 16-foot enclosed trailer down there, I got three and a half miles to the gallon. On the way back, I got six miles to the gallon. And now with doing bad. Well, with the weird thing is, is so I I drive a Toyota, so I average 12 miles to the gallon no matter what. Well, after elevate, now I'm getting 18 miles to the gallon.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:24

I have no idea. You burned. John, I drive a I drive a Toyota Tundra and I get 1718 without a trailer and fully loaded 40 mile an hour wind, I was getting seven miles to the gallon. I what year is yours?

SPEAKER_06 1:41:41

22. Oh, yeah, mine's a 2011. Oh, okay. Never mind. With the five 2011 with the 5'7.

SPEAKER_13 1:41:48

So get yourself an F250 with the Godzilla in it. Just going down the road.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:55

Don't worry about gas off a Prius, John.

SPEAKER_17 1:42:03

I mean, it's I'm glad I'm doing programs, so I don't gotta deal with bringing out the guns that you guys have to do. But I mean, I'm still have several, several trailers just for equipment. I think we're up to uh four trailers, plus James is bringing the cook trailer.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:18

So I'm gonna this year I'm gonna pull out the extra insurance on the U-Haul. Because I'm gonna be at I'm already at gonna be at 26,000 pounds on the U-Haul, plus I'm I'm hooking up a enclosed trailer to it as well.

SPEAKER_17 1:42:32

Um, I will tell you, always get the insurance. Uh Lone Star two years ago, I got in a trailer accident. Um, and it was on or I went to Chris's to uh week before for Lone Star, start doing prep, and my buddy calls me. He's like, dude, I just got my second flat on the way there. I need help. So I turn around for Chris's, go over to get to him, and I make a U-turn on the road, there's a blind, it's kind of like a hill. There's like I look both ways and I start going across, and the speed limit there is like 70, 75. Yeah, it's crazy. But no one goes that fast or goes, they all go like 90. So I start going across, and this guy comes over the hill, and all I can do, I'm pulling the trailer, is just floor it. So I floor it, and then this guy decides to swerve into the and follows me into the incoming traffic lane and just keep following me, hits my trailer, and just wrecks his truck. Somehow, none of the product in my trailer, none of the racks got damaged, everything got thrown around a little bit. But um it was it was like the police did like one of those like mutual things where like both parties were kind of at fault. Um, but I had the you can see the skid marks where he like followed my trailer on the road, so that helped me out. Um, but I currently can no longer uh rent from U-Haul. Uh dependents, and I went to either I almost I almost turned around.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:05

Um, I was driving back Sunday night from Elevate, and um my better half got me a B and B in the middle, a bit of a middle of nowhere, and it was like dark highway, and I missed the turn, and I thought, oh, I'll just turn around on the highway because it was gonna be like two miles down and back. And as soon as I thought that, I said, Nope. Just be patient, go the extra three or four minutes, because as soon as I do that, someone's gonna come over the hill, go in 90, and follow me into the other lane.

SPEAKER_16 1:44:35

Yeah, yep. They just know. I swear, they just know. I've seen it happen so many times. It's like they know, it's like, oh, this guy in front of me, he's gonna do it. They just know.

SPEAKER_13 1:44:48

Yep. Well, I can tell you, Jacob, I will rent a semi and haul all those big ass racks, and you can have that one four crap. Really?

SPEAKER_17 1:44:59

I mean, I think one three, too.

SPEAKER_13 1:45:01

Don't get me wrong, but no, that's the elevate elevate broke me again. It'd been long, you know. Like we do one show a year for basically Cobra Con Elevate or whatever, where we have to use all 1-4. And god, it's an ungodly amount of work. Oh my god. I'd rather just move the racks once and just start standing upright and loading shells.

SPEAKER_17 1:45:22

Yeah, I mean, when I shot Lone Star last year, we got lucky because you know, Chris was able to supply everything on site, um, and including the one three, but like I can't imagine with that show the logistics. If I had to shoot that show at like Skywars or PGI, I mean, we're talking probably four thousand dollars in diesel. It's just money. They gotta eat. That's all this is, is just money. You can make more.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:48

You can make more, right? You can make more.

SPEAKER_17 1:45:52

Make more money.

SPEAKER_13 1:45:54

Them guys gotta eat too. Come on. Think of all the families you're feeding, man. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:03

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_17 1:46:04

I mean, it's always funny when you shoot a show like this because you look at the budget and you go, okay, yeah, I mean, there you have a budget, and then you start adding up all the expenses and expenses and expenses, and next thing you know, you're like, Wow, how did I end up, you know, this much out of my own pocket shooting this deal? But I don't I think a lot of people just don't quite understand that part of it.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:23

Yeah, it gets pricey quick. Tim's thinking the same thing. Imagine being a display company and having to budget all that.

SPEAKER_13 1:46:31

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Everybody's like, man, how do you afford the product? I'm like, that's easy. Like, you know, like, you know, we literally spend like $18,000 a month in like subscriptions and you know, this payment, that payment, you know, freaking insurance is twelve thousand dollars a month, you know, a month. And it's like, yeah, the products actually not that bad. You can spend that. It's it's all it's everything else, man. It just costs so much money.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:06

I feel like that's a flick sometimes when you're like, oh yeah, I shoot a lot of fireworks. And they're like, Oh, you must be loaded. I'm like, no, I just have connections. I'm like, no, I'm broke.

SPEAKER_16 1:47:17

I make poor financial decisions.

SPEAKER_13 1:47:19

Yeah, you make poor financial decisions.

SPEAKER_16 1:47:21

Who was it that elevates that?

SPEAKER_13 1:47:23

John just nailed it.

SPEAKER_15 1:47:24

Who was it that elevate that was like, I thought I'd save money by starting to go wholesale.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:30

No, and then I actually wound up spending more.

SPEAKER_17 1:47:33

No, you get the firing equipment to shoot all the extra product you bought, and then you're digging your whole deep vers.

SPEAKER_15 1:47:40

Well, and then you get more firing system. Well, now I've got to have more product, put on a bigger show. Well, crap, now I need a bigger firing system, back and forth, back and forth.

SPEAKER_13 1:47:49

Yeah, it's there was a whole big thread on Pyro Universe years ago, um, uh 2009, something like that. And you know, every time somebody would come on there and talk about, you know, I buy retail, everybody would just wake, oh, you gotta buy wholesale, you gotta buy wholesale. And I jumped on there, I'm like, look, hold on, I can tell you right now, I spend five times what I used to spend retail. And we used to have a lot of freaking fun with my little $1,200 worth of shit I bought from Phantom in the back, you know, just hand lighting and having a good time and hanging out. Now it's six thousand dollars and then it's eight thousand, you know. Um no, you will not save any money. You'll have more, you might have more fun, and you're definitely gonna put on something cooler, but forget that saving money thing.

SPEAKER_17 1:48:35

That's if you're in this hobby to save money, I mean you've already lost drugs, would have been cheaper.

SPEAKER_13 1:48:42

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, you could flip some of those and get some of the money back.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:48

I mean that's why I'm wondering the why the cartel hasn't gotten into fireworks yet. Um, there's your answer. So I'm sure they are if you think about it.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:58

So uh they're in the shipping.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:02

I sp I spend over a hundred thousand a year, but none of it's my money. Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_13 1:49:08

Well, I do tell guys cartel. Guys are like, oh, I'm gonna do this, I want to do that. I'm like, why don't you come shoot for me for a week? And your hobby will cost you nothing. They're like, What do you mean? I always shoot on the fourth. I'm like, you're an idiot. Like, don't come shoot for me for a week. You'll make a couple thousand dollars, you know, or at least, you know what I mean? And you won't ever have to buy firing equipment, ever. Yeah, he's like, What do you mean? I'm like, dude, we have 450 modules that sit on the shelf all year. Like, you could use anything, like racks, and I mean that all this stuff, and anybody who shoots for our company knows it. Your boss will let you use pretty much anything out there as long as you come work for Hell Week. Like, you can put on, we'll sell you a product, we'll give you a product, just show up Hell Week. Like, but see, that's the catch.

SPEAKER_16 1:50:00

You now you're working all the week during the fourth and you're like, Yay, I made all this money. No, because then you've already spent it before that week's over buying more product. It is a drug. I'm telling you, drugs are cheaper. It's just a pyramid. I mean, well, it's fine.

SPEAKER_17 1:50:17

I mean, clubs are great too for that aspect to just be able to borrow equipment. I mean, I always I never do my show, like my personal show on the fourth. Just I mean, I always do it like either like a week or two before or after, just because I could borrow so much equipment. Right. And I can't see, even though I think I own almost a thousand cues worth of Cobra now, I still can't keep under that number. I mean, yeah, it's a curse. I mean, I'll be like, okay, I'm shooting a show, it's got to be like eight, nine hundred cues, and then I end up with like 1500 Qs, and I'm like, crap, what do I do now?

SPEAKER_15 1:50:51

I mean, how many shows that like Sky Wars or Lone Star won't even happen without club members' equipment?

SPEAKER_17 1:50:59

No, I mean, for like Sky Wars this year, I didn't even like have to think about where I'm gonna get my equipment from. Like, the moment I got in and the announcement went out, like Chris Daisy's texting me. He's like, hey man, here's my equipment list, and it's like 5,500 Qs in Cobra, and then like two other guys offered it. And next thing I know, I'm like, dude, I could probably shoot 10,000 Qs if the budget allowed it. I mean, it's crazy how easy it is to come up with equipment when you're part of a club or a display company.

SPEAKER_15 1:51:29

And that's not even to mention match.

SPEAKER_17 1:51:32

Oh, well, I don't want to get into match because the match I bought for Skywars turned out to be crap, so I'm kind of in the process of getting some more match right now.

SPEAKER_13 1:51:43

I got 30,000, I'll sell you cheap.

SPEAKER_17 1:51:46

Uh uh, I'm pretty sure I I know another guy who's in the same boat and he's he's selling it cheap right now, too. It is good if you're using like speaker terminal, just cut the quick plug off.

SPEAKER_13 1:51:56

Yeah, I'm not I'm not actually selling it cheap. I I couldn't do that to people. Um, but we do. We've got like 30,000 match left over from last year's batch. So is your guys' pink or green? What's that?

SPEAKER_16 1:52:08

Is your guys' pink or green? Ask me how I know.

SPEAKER_13 1:52:12

Uh no, I actually actually ours is orange. Um uh the blue, you know, it's they'll make it whatever color you want. You actually get maybe black and red different colors.

SPEAKER_17 1:52:23

Have you guys seen the new issue with the quick plug mold? Like, this just won't fit really well into any slap.

SPEAKER_13 1:52:30

Yeah, well, we'll probably find out. I've got 100,000 on order. Oh well. Yeah, for us, two more weeks.

SPEAKER_17 1:52:38

It just came in and we found out at our club meet, and then I was talking, I think I was talking to Chris Odell about it. He was saying that he had also bought some of that, and I looked at the quick plug, he sent me a picture, and it's the same thing. Well, it turns out all these factories are buying the same quick plug and they're using it, and it it's a cheaper plug, and it's just the mold is awful. I mean, no matter which way you put it in the slap, box forward, cobra, any any slap, it does not matter. It just sucks. You don't get that feedback. That's not good. So I'm not using African Skywars. I mean, I I priced out my whole budget with this match, and then I'm like, dude, I can't land, you know, X amount of Qs like with that match. I would just want to kill myself.

SPEAKER_16 1:53:21

Is it the uh there was someone there was uh one of the cheaper Chinese firing systems that recently came available, and it has a different quick plug plug. Is it potentially compatibility with those?

SPEAKER_13 1:53:36

It's what they had in the corner that day.

SPEAKER_16 1:53:39

Well, uh the reason I say that is because it's some it's different than a regular like Cobra or anyone else's Quick Plug. It's similar, but it's not the exact same size. And so I almost wonder if it's not.

SPEAKER_17 1:53:52

I'm sure there's a firing system or something out there where this plug just fits in perfectly and they just had a bunch of it, like Tim said, just sitting there and that's what they used.

SPEAKER_13 1:54:01

The other problem, the other problem is so the MTA 100s, I believe, is what the actual connector is. Um the the name of the connector. It's it's sourced probably in China or Taiwan or something, um, but it's made for US wire. Um and China's wire, the insulation is different, and the wire gauge is a little different.

SPEAKER_15 1:54:27

It's a 2.54 millimeter pitch between the two wires.

SPEAKER_13 1:54:33

Right. And the the the China map uh wire isn't the same. Um now what we have found though, I mean, to be honest with you, uh our problem is continuity. Like, you know, I I say I didn't check at elevate, I did scan real quick. I just didn't tell the guys. There was probably 400 open cues um before we shot. And there were there were 28 devices that didn't fire.

unknown 1:55:05

Whoa.

SPEAKER_16 1:55:05

Because the good odds.

SPEAKER_13 1:55:07

Well, because what's happening is when is when they crimp them, the wire isn't right for that connector. And it's pretty much going to be any connector they ever use because their wire's different.

SPEAKER_15 1:55:17

Or it doesn't get seated correctly.

SPEAKER_13 1:55:20

Right. Most of it's when they're crimping it, because we found it, we started playing around with taking some of them apart real easy. What it does is it'll actually cut the wire, um, the actual copper inside, or nick it halfway through. So when if you have a firing system that's actually checking true resistance and not just saying we have a connection, yeah, it's going to give you some opens because it gets outside of that range of resistance. But when you throw six amps at her, she'll still pop. So, you know, which is one plus I will say about Starfire. I do like throwing six amps of juice at every e-match. Yeah. We were popping, we were popping confetti cannons one time with them, and they're like, holy shit, like there, you gotta burn through them. Like, no, you know, you just gotta fry and quit. It's that by that panel's heavy as shit, but it throws a lot of power down at the wall. Um but yeah, so that that's I don't think it's I think it's just something you can either do that or you can deal with MJG and not get your matches on time or hope that they burn hot enough to light quick match, or like there's I haven't found a good answer yet.

SPEAKER_16 1:56:28

We were cutting them and putting uh pre-made Wego quick plug connectors on them. That's how we were getting around it.

SPEAKER_13 1:56:36

Um I couldn't imagine doing that for 100,000 matches, though.

SPEAKER_16 1:56:40

That would be horrible.

SPEAKER_13 1:56:40

I mean, we were gonna I I joked with the guys. I'm like, look, this January, what you're gonna do, you're gonna take those 30,000 matches, and we got a tool. Like, and we got our own, and we're just you know, we're gonna recrimp them and check them.

SPEAKER_15 1:56:52

He decided to move and we lost.

SPEAKER_13 1:56:58

Of course, my connection went to shit right there. But hey, you're back. Could you just repeat everything?

SPEAKER_08 1:57:07

He bleeped himself out.

SPEAKER_13 1:57:09

Yeah, basically, long story short, I told my guys we were gonna fix them and we didn't fix it. So they would have they would have quit. You know, we're just dealing with we just plug them in and we just hope. That's all. Best we can do.

SPEAKER_16 1:57:24

Good to know on that though.

SPEAKER_09 1:57:26

Yeah, I was talking to my buddy and I was telling him about all the different types of uh you know quick splits that we're doing, and he's he's still new to all that, all that stuff, but he knows uh like electronics and resistance and everything else like that. He goes, I'll make something for you. You hook up a car battery, I'll make sure they fire. And I'm like, that's not that's not what I'm talking about. He's like, No, I don't care. I'm gonna make sure that they fire. Um, yeah, I'll have a couple car batteries out there for you. I'll make a good relay for you. And what you're saying, and I was like, I think that's the firing system for him. It's gonna dump and it's gonna fire, and it's gonna be great.

SPEAKER_13 1:58:07

Two two car batteries pushing 15 amps each will ignite something with a bread tie. Yep. You know, if you if you strip the shit, trust me, that's how I started. I I I had two car batteries, and we we stripped all the crap, you know. We'd go to the grocery store and just grab a handful of those, you know, tie things, and we'd strip them off and wrap them around the fuse and plug them into the end of the extension cord, just boom, and eat them right up, man. It was awesome. We didn't need Nichrome, man. Bread tie. You put enough heat down that down that wire, you know. It's just a short. Shorts get hot. So it doesn't matter how long you keep the short, you know, closed. Yeah, I mean, it will burn your house down. I mean, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_08 1:58:58

If that short lasts long enough, so not sponsored by Pyro League Podcast.

SPEAKER_09 1:59:08

Yeah. Johnny and David, are you guys gonna put up the whole um this is for entertainment purposes only? Or you might have to be tonight.

SPEAKER_14 1:59:19

Might have to be anything that has been smoking.

SPEAKER_13 1:59:23

Oh, we're all joking, but I'm pretty sure those old Delco firing systems, you could hook four batteries to them. You know, she would throw 48 volts at 15 amps. You get they'd pop 250 matches at a time for a club.

SPEAKER_09 1:59:38

You get two shows at the same time. Yeah, you actually see it go down the field.

SPEAKER_15 1:59:43

Pretty sure Fire Tech can do that too. Through just hook up a whole bunch of batteries in the series. Right, boom.

SPEAKER_16 1:59:51

We've tested with 20 volts, and 20 volts will for sure do 40 matches at once, which is absurd.

SPEAKER_09 1:59:59

Well, yeah, I mean, you did that, John, right? Uh yeah, all of a sudden I just see these drill batteries, like a clutch of them at his show, and I'm like, I'm not even gonna ask. You know what you're doing. Not sponsored by DeWalt.

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SPEAKER_08 2:01:18

All right, guys.

SPEAKER_05 2:01:19

Yeah, ready to hit the final five?

SPEAKER_08 2:01:21

I guess yeah. So yeah, Tim has been to the final five once, so we'll give him a chance to get there, I guess. And all right, so we haven't done this so far, so I've been a little I had to look him up again because I'm like, yeah, so it's been like two months. Yeah. Um, first question the buckety list event that you have not yet attended. So I guess we'll uh travis at the top of my screen.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:41

So um in the States, I've never been to Western Winter Blast, and I would love to go. And then international, either Montreal or Great Japanese fest.

SPEAKER_08 2:01:54

All right. Sean, what do you got?

SPEAKER_09 2:01:58

I still need to make my rounds to everything, so everything's on my list. I mean, I want to go to Elevate, I want to go to the Winter Blast. I mean, uh KCap, you guys saw that uh I went down to Wichita and uh at my nephew's little international competition there, and I was wearing uh my KCAP shirt representing, you know, and somebody is like, yo, I love your shirt. Do you do you do fireworks? And he's actually working for Pyro Spectacular. Yeah, and I'm like, he's just getting into it. And I'm like, welcome to the rabbit hole, it's on downhill from here, but you're gonna love it every step of the way. And I told him, I'm like, hey, uh because he's from California, so look out for uh Western Winter Blast, and hopefully I can meet up with you sometime. See you again. So that was good. That's cool.

SPEAKER_08 2:02:56

All right, John Mock.

SPEAKER_16 2:02:59

Uh Skywars. I've never been to Skywars yet. Oh I know, I know. Uh it's the year to go. Yeah. I'll be there starting to get away.

SPEAKER_15 2:03:08

He took him like three years to join KCAP, so at least the Pro Ams will be good.

SPEAKER_16 2:03:14

And then uh ISF ISF uh in Japan.

SPEAKER_08 2:03:26

Yeah. Alright, Jacob. Pocket list items.

SPEAKER_17 2:03:33

I mean, probably elevate. I was planning on going this year, then my club decided to do their club meet that same weekend. So I was like, uh but um I actually haven't been to PGI, it's just always so far away from me. So that's probably the other one I want to make it to. But if I'm gonna go down there, I'm gonna probably do a show. I don't see myself going for any other reason.

SPEAKER_09 2:03:58

I didn't believe them, but it'll it'll change your life. PGI. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_17 2:04:04

It's I mean a lot of our club guys go there, and and we we have a lot of builders in our club, so I mean especially if the Iowa guys bring stuff and if um Chris from the Fire Ants, isn't it?

SPEAKER_15 2:04:20

Yeah, Chris Roth. I mean, if he brings stuff, oh that's always a great time.

SPEAKER_08 2:04:28

Alright, the other John.

SPEAKER_06 2:04:31

Uh my bucket list would be PGI. I've never been there. What? Always wanted to go, but you never been vacation time. Oh. I spend all my vacation for 4th of July in Skywars.

SPEAKER_05 2:04:48

Yeah. You should just go to PGI and forget Skywars this year. Not sponsored by Pyro Leech Podcast.

SPEAKER_06 2:05:01

I thought about, I think I might go like maybe Saturday or something.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:08

It's only a couple hours.

SPEAKER_06 2:05:10

Yeah, it's only like three hours, four hours from my house.

SPEAKER_15 2:05:12

So go Friday night. I heard someone might be doing a show there.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:17

Rumor has it, there's a couple good shows.

SPEAKER_08 2:05:20

I mean, you could I mean you could you could I mean you could take your pro budget and go shoot a show at PGI with it, I guess. I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_17 2:05:28

Yeah. I mean, someone someone's got to go against Alry. So FEMA would love that.

SPEAKER_08 2:05:36

All right, Curtis. Curtis, your bucket list?

SPEAKER_15 2:05:39

Um either Malta St. Kaaba Festival or Tower of Light. I mean, Japanese is up there too. I don't know. There's too many really to name off.

SPEAKER_08 2:05:50

Lots of them out there. Alright, question two. Your favorite fibre shows you have shot or been a part of? Travis, you're up.

SPEAKER_07 2:06:01

Oh, I'll do both. Part of Skywars 2023. And actually, Elevate went pretty well. There was not a lot of I did we did not have a lot of issues. So I'm gonna Your Elevate show was awesome, dude. Yeah. Thank you.

SPEAKER_13 2:06:16

Yeah, it was awesome.

SPEAKER_08 2:06:19

Alright, Sean?

SPEAKER_09 2:06:22

Oh. Um Honestly, the most memorable one was probably probably my first show, because uh I had no idea what I was doing. Um But with the club aspect, I can't say enough of how awesome being it is being part of a club. Like, I felt bad not doing I felt like I should have done more work. But um it was pretty hot that day, and they're like, dude, go cool down, we got this. We don't want you to kill over, you need to still push the button. But um I I just caught the bug. You guys know the rest. Well, the KCAP at least. Uh yeah, that that would be the best, but everything's awesome.

SPEAKER_08 2:07:18

Alright. John.

SPEAKER_16 2:07:22

Uh favorite show I've ever been a part of would have been Jacob's birthday last year. And favorite show I've ever done was Ah Spirit. That was really fun.

SPEAKER_08 2:07:37

John again.

SPEAKER_06 2:07:39

Obviously, favorite show for me would be my Sky Wars last year. But uh the biggest show for me is our local town show, Walnut. That that uh that show always gets me. I mean huge, huge spot in my heart for that that town.

SPEAKER_08 2:08:04

Uh Cardis.

SPEAKER_15 2:08:06

Uh favorite show I've ever shot would probably be My Versus Show last year. And then I don't necessarily have one favorite show I've ever been a part of. I have a favorite moment. And that would be the Skywars 2023, the night where we all um worked on what we called the arc, all the falling leaves shells. That was that was an interesting and very memorable experience.

SPEAKER_08 2:08:39

Alright, yes, absolutely, yeah. Yeah, that was crazy. Alright, question three. If you only could choose one, which would you choose? Hand fire or e-fire, and you can never do the other one. Travis?

SPEAKER_07 2:08:55

Probably e-fire. I love hand fire, but you e-fire for for all the reasons that most of us think of. So there I will say though, there's there's something about a hand fire challenge, so Sean?

SPEAKER_09 2:09:14

You changed your questions. Uh I was ready for, you know, one three or one four, but that was last year's questions, yeah. Um Yeah, I think I would have to go with e-fire. Um honestly, it's just about the same amount of work. No. Well, with e-firing, you're adding more product. So um could you get a nice bigger you get to sit back. I think that's what I like. I like to sit back. I like to watch it now. And like, I I'm not gonna be out there trying to- I mean that's really cool too. You're being out there, but uh, if you're doing like a show show type thing, you want to sit back and watch it.

SPEAKER_16 2:10:00

John E-Fire. I I've gotten addicted to piromusicals at this point. I couldn't go back. Although I do love sending canister shells up. Uh or other shells. But uh e-firing's where it's uh John.

SPEAKER_06 2:10:17

I'd say e-fire as well. Uh I do, I mean, I I hand fire one show a year. It's fun, but with the e-fire you get to do a lot more. I mean the only thing I miss with e-firing now is with Cobra, I can actually go back and watch the show to where we've used the same basis panel before, and the furthest we can be away is fifty feet. I do miss that. But I'd I'd say e-fire.

SPEAKER_15 2:10:54

So hoping that this was my question, um I honestly would probably go hand fire. I know we all love e-fire, but man, there is nothing like being right next to a six-inch gun when it leaves the tube. Oh, that is yeah. You can't get that with e-fire.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:17

It's almost like a I mean if you stand if you stand close enough, you get the fire.

SPEAKER_16 2:11:24

You can always press the button while standing next to it. Yeah, but how many of us do that?

SPEAKER_06 2:11:32

I think that's what I think that's what gets everybody hooked is that first first hand fire for sure. But now first show you ever light.

SPEAKER_15 2:11:40

There's one effect that you cannot do with hand fire. Precision timed ground bombs.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:47

You can do less than one.

SPEAKER_15 2:11:49

Yeah, you'd only lost it.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:50

I mean and and fireballs, fireballs. I mean you can't I mean you can't have hard time to handle your fireball.

SPEAKER_09 2:11:56

Yeah, so you need to go over to what what is it? What did Do over what is that India that I've been seeing on the reels lately? That's they drag along and they just wow.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:07

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:12:10

Then you do a line of powder. Yeah, like it works, man. It's great.

SPEAKER_15 2:12:15

Just drill holes in the ground, draw the line of powder, and just ignite the fire.

SPEAKER_16 2:12:20

You can tell their gunpowder prices cheaper than what we get in the city.

SPEAKER_08 2:12:27

Powder prices have gone up, by the way. Yeah, don't look.

SPEAKER_09 2:12:32

Don't look at their price. It's almost like you know, browsing trees or something over there. It's more. Yeah. A lot more.

SPEAKER_15 2:12:40

Hey Sean, four. How's that company coming?

SPEAKER_08 2:12:44

All right. Yeah. Get a couple of. Alright, question four. What's your favorite firework effect?

SPEAKER_07 2:12:51

Travis. Oh. I don't like a pick one. I do love a good for follow though.

SPEAKER_13 2:13:00

Tim's with me on that one.

SPEAKER_07 2:13:01

He's with you on that one.

SPEAKER_13 2:13:02

That was my answer when they asked me that.

SPEAKER_07 2:13:04

Oh, it was how bad. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 2:13:10

Yeah. Alright, Sean, what do you got? I oh, there's so many good ones. I think the first ones that I ever was super impressed when, you know, before getting in the club, I always enjoyed fish. I don't know. I mean, there's several different varieties, but uh oh, I you know what? I'm gonna take that back. My favorite effect is Hummers. Um I think some of uh whoever went to the uh Snyder's demo started noticing every time a Hummer would go off, it would go off and then you would hear me.

SPEAKER_16 2:13:52

Alright, John, favorite fact multi-breaking crossettes. So like where it go where it breaks once and then breaks again. I think you can do I think I've seen up to four breaks on some of those custom shells.

SPEAKER_08 2:14:08

If you find some of us, let me know.

SPEAKER_16 2:14:10

Uh sure. Give me looking for those uh lightning shells.

SPEAKER_08 2:14:16

Yeah, if you got some of those too, let me know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I I haven't started scripting yet for Sky Wars, so I can still incorporate some of that stuff. Alright, John, favorite effect.

SPEAKER_06 2:14:29

Oh, I absolutely love crackle. No one ever. Uh I'd have to say ghost. It's a fairly new one. Yeah. That's that's come a long ways. Yeah.

SPEAKER_16 2:14:47

Any specific color on ghost or just ghost?

SPEAKER_06 2:14:51

Uh I mean, they're coming out with so many new ones now.

unknown 2:14:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:14:56

Orange to blue to purple, and yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:00

Yeah, you've seen some of the pillar binds this last weekend and fell in love, didn't you? Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:15:05

As long as they're as as long as they're complementary color colors, right, Travis? Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:15:10

Or triading. I almost typed that in the chat, but a good ghost effect needs contrast. And if it's too subtle, you are like, wait, what was that? So, like, as cool as it might be to say, let's do a dark blue to dark purple, like we could miss that kind of thing. So yellow to orange. For example, it's great. Yeah. Alright, Cared Effect.

SPEAKER_15 2:15:38

My favorite effect is a strobing willow star. Yeah. They're just gorgeous. I love strobing willows.

SPEAKER_16 2:15:49

Is that a white strobing willow?

SPEAKER_15 2:15:52

White, gold, red, green, blue, if anyone would ever make it.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:56

I mean, yeah, if you find that blue, I mean if you find blue, you'll be a multi-billionaire. Give me a year.

SPEAKER_08 2:16:07

All right, then our favorite question. Everybody's favorite question. Question five. Does pineapple belong on your pizza? Travis?

SPEAKER_07 2:16:20

If I'm in Italy, no, it's gonna be assassinated. If I'm at home, I'll do it because my son wants it.

SPEAKER_08 2:16:29

Alright, Sean.

SPEAKER_09 2:16:32

Um there's gonna be a lot of people, like I was thinking at the beginning of this podcast, I was like, I need a counter of like, who is that guy?

SPEAKER_03 2:16:40

You know.

SPEAKER_09 2:16:41

But um, I'll probably get angst now and um I won't exist after this. But I grew up, my dad always ordered Canadian bacon and pineapple, so it is a staple in our family. So yes.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:59

All right, John. Welcome, young Padawan.

SPEAKER_16 2:17:01

Is it a dessert pizza or no?

SPEAKER_08 2:17:04

It's just pizza. It's just pizza.

SPEAKER_16 2:17:07

Dessert pizza, it's fine. Regular pizza, eh.

unknown 2:17:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 2:17:12

Alright. John?

SPEAKER_06 2:17:14

Ham, pineapple, and chicken all the way.

SPEAKER_08 2:17:17

All right, there we go. Wow. I think Curtis Curtis is upset right now. Curtis is having a meltdown. Yeah, Curtis is having a meltdown right now.

SPEAKER_15 2:17:25

Pineapple does not be long on pizza. Come on, Jeff Mueller, you're with me here. Spirit animal, no pineapple. Actually, here's a weird one for you. Does strawberries belong on pizza?

SPEAKER_09 2:17:42

Can you kick people off of this? Okay.

SPEAKER_15 2:17:47

Can we turn his mic off? There is a new food.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:53

That's better. On that note, thanks everybody.

SPEAKER_15 2:18:08

I mean, that's a new day.

SPEAKER_09 2:18:10

That's a new thing. It's like this has been a topic of a bit, but I get the new flavors that like a lot of people are experimenting with, but it's just like back in the day.

SPEAKER_06 2:18:23

I worked at Pizza Hut when I was in my teens. I decided to make a pizza with every single topping Pizza Hut had. It was actually pretty good.

SPEAKER_15 2:18:36

At that point, could you even differentiate the flavors?

SPEAKER_09 2:18:41

I don't remember. You just passed that on the floor because it's just like you don't know what you were talking about.

SPEAKER_06 2:18:48

It had everything. It had every topping. It even had pasta, Alfredo sauce. What you call a treasure chest pizza.

SPEAKER_16 2:18:55

Yeah, macaroni pizza's really cool. And it's actually really good too. Burning pizza.

SPEAKER_15 2:19:02

I thought you said burning pizza, and I was like, burn what? In that like charcoal at that point.

SPEAKER_16 2:19:08

We're not talking about woodfire pizza.

SPEAKER_15 2:19:12

Woodfire is where it's at, though.

SPEAKER_16 2:19:14

As long as they don't burn it.

SPEAKER_15 2:19:17

A little char, just a little, like a hint of char on the crest is good.

SPEAKER_08 2:19:24

Bring some sweaty smoke. Well, Tim, you want to give a shout out for Pyro Jam again for us on the dates and all that kind of stuff, all the goodies?

SPEAKER_13 2:19:33

I don't even know them. Um there we go.

SPEAKER_08 2:19:37

Best cool of the night. Don't even know the days.

SPEAKER_13 2:19:39

We don't even know them.

SPEAKER_08 2:19:42

And it's very, very soon.

SPEAKER_13 2:19:43

August 8th and 9th or something like that.

SPEAKER_08 2:19:45

Yeah, yeah, August 8th and same time as PGI, pretty much. Yep, yeah. And uh, yeah, we'll have some we'll have some more stuff on the on Power Jam of the podcast coming up here probably in the next uh next couple months, and we'll have some more details to share about that that working with uh with Tim on a little project. So um a lot more of the insights of what goes on behind the scenes of uh of picking shows. So um then we'll get some more information out. So Dave and I are gonna partner up with Tim a little bit and do some cool stuff for all of you guys out there on on how they how they pick shows. Yep, that's an incredible amount of work. Yeah. So yeah, yeah, Dave and I got a little insight on on that process and be able to kind of you know act like judges ourselves and then you know, kind of like you know, look at stuff and see how it kind of compares. So it's gonna be kind of a good little project working on. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:30

And then he'll redo us easier to do it yourself.

SPEAKER_13 2:20:33

Probably, yeah. Travis, you're welcome to join us um when we actually if you would like to. Um the little project is we're gonna we're gonna try. We randomly picked three of the entries from this year. Now that I'm done judging, um, we randomly picked three of them, and we're going to critique them and judge them on the podcast. That's awesome. If you would like to join, I I would love to have you. If you think if they don't mind, then they can work you out. Yeah. You have a way. If you stare up for it, I'll do it.

SPEAKER_08 2:21:15

Well, we'll add to us on that chain then, yeah.

SPEAKER_13 2:21:18

Yep. Well, I I told Travis at Elevate, he has a way of articulating um things that I struggle um as far as show design and things like that. And I would love to hear your take on some of these shows. And if you do good enough, we'll ask you to judge next year. Like that's some kind of you know cool thing.

SPEAKER_14 2:21:46

I'll be sure to fumble that. I'll be sure to fumble. I don't think anyone wants that job.

SPEAKER_08 2:21:51

If it worked out at your schedule, Travis, for next year. Work down your vision schedule.

SPEAKER_05 2:21:56

But I do 50 hours of extra time.

SPEAKER_13 2:21:58

Only I do think I will get it done. Do 86 times 10. 86 times 10 is 860 minutes, and that's just to watch it. If you only watch it once.

SPEAKER_07 2:22:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 2:22:12

So start, you know, like I told them, it's typically a half an hour per show. By the time you watch it, score it, rewatch a part or two, you know, because you you we I literally, while we're doing it, we have an Excel spreadsheet open for comments. So we're typing comments, just blind typing while we're watching. And that way you kind of it's fresh and it's happening. And then you go back and you look at them like, oh well, let me look at that spot again, you know. And it it it does. It works out to about a half an hour per show to to get a real score. It's it's a lot of freaking time.

unknown 2:22:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 2:22:51

Now do you watch the finale file or do you render the video?

SPEAKER_13 2:22:54

We actually no, no, we watch the we actually watch the finale file because there's several well, number one, I have to, because I gotta get ahead of them. I've got to make sure nobody gets disqualified because they did something in that script that isn't allowed, like too too hard of an angle or something shot at the wrong positions, or budget, you know, going over on the budget, things like that. That's all gotta be done. So if we just rendered videos, you know, you you'd you'd be doing everything twice. So it takes enough time this way. You know.

SPEAKER_05 2:23:35

Huge shout out to Muxboard. Um, more matches, less time. Uh that's also huge shout out to Fire Tech Firing Systems, uh, the fire the official firing system of uh season four of the Pirate On Leash Podcast. And uh PGI, huge shout out to them again. That is um August 8th through the 14th in Kakona, Wisconsin at the Wisconsin International Raceway. Um looking forward to that event as always. Um also want to give a huge shout out to Winda Fireworks and T Sky Fireworks. Um be sure to ask your local uh wholesaler for your favorite products from Winda and T Sky. Um think that covers it.

SPEAKER_08 2:24:18

Yeah, your local cartel dealer will have those have those products for you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:24:25

Oh guy.

SPEAKER_15 2:24:27

One of those guys is right here.

SPEAKER_08 2:24:30

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, right. Well, I want to thank all of you guys for coming on and chatting with us tonight and making this fun and entertaining. Like this this is a blast to get there, have everybody on, and we'd love to discuss the season. And yeah, it makes it kind of cool, fresh voices and some fresh ideas. And uh yeah, it's kind of cool. Have some new people on tonight, yeah. So uh Sean and and John Mickert there are new tonight. And we used to see Travis and John and Curtis a lot, and so guys have some fresh faces out there. And Jacob, who unfortunately had some storms in his area and had to drop off, but uh I'm sure we'll have him back on before we get Skywars comes around, imagine. So I'm sure we'll see uh we'll be seeing John Mickert again before Sky Wars aw, ass soon. We're gonna battle up, we're gonna have a battle it out probably with uh me, you and Tyler one there or something or some face-off or something. But uh good stuff cut out, guys. Yep. And then uh couple episodes left this season. We've got to have uh Mr. Rob Zima on next, our next guest. So we'll uh hammer ham right ham for some details. We're gonna hammer him for some for some details. Everybody wants to where's that button? Robinson. If it wasn't a rob, we got the running junk rediffered by all the competitors on just to grill him the whole time. Yeah, so you invite me.

SPEAKER_05 2:25:45

We'll wait. We'll wait an early.

SPEAKER_08 2:25:46

We'll get we'll let's go out. And then we have our final guest of the season. Uh let you guys wait another week before we give you guys that.

SPEAKER_15 2:25:51

And so only two more episodes after this one.

SPEAKER_08 2:25:54

Yeah, after this one, two more for this season, yeah. And then we all need a little break for for fireworks. So yeah. What's that?

SPEAKER_15 2:26:00

What's a break?

SPEAKER_08 2:26:01

I've got a list of shows. I got a script still, and so I got yeah, so I'm yeah, I'm just yeah, I got a bunch of just a script, and I have to shoot them in just scripting shows at this point. So yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:26:12

But uh and uh Monday, Tuesdays, and Wednesdays, we are releasing, re-releasing the uh finale 3D tip of the weeks. Um, so be sure to check those out. Those are extremely helpful. Um can't say thank you enough to Drew for helping us do that, yeah, helping us, helping you guys. Uh it's been it's been a wonderful time recording those. Uh looking to potentially do something again next season. Uh so send your finale 3D tip of the week questions to us, um, and we'll see if we can ask Drew.

unknown 2:26:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:26:44

See what he can come up with.

SPEAKER_08 2:26:46

So on that note, guys, in the meantime, until we see you next week. Go out there and unleash your inner pyro with us.

SPEAKER_11 2:26:55

This has been another episode of Pyro Unleash. Come back each week for more industry insights, technical tips, and awesome pyro design. Have fun out there, be safe, and as always, remember to unleash your inner pyro with uh